If you don't have anything nice to say
They are actually related to rats (so says the desert museum here in Tucson). These majectic creatures travel in herds and knock over trash cans making a mess.
This is so true. Iâm so glad you said this. It was actually hard for me to get this fact until recently, a friend of mine started keto and the differences in the way we deal with this stuff became very apparent and was a surprising strain on our friendship until we got to the point where we understood each other. At first I didnât really appreciate how much of an emotional trigger the whole food/dieting/weight issues were for her, and it was confusing to me. Even though Iâve been more overweight than my friend has been, none of it has been a shame trigger for me so I just didnât get it. I have plenty of my own special awesome shame triggers, trust me, but not around food or weight. But it was really different for her, and learning about how to support her has (I hope) even helped changed my tone when I respond to people asking for help on the forum. I realize itâs not just always about the science and what the right answer is. But also, sometimes when someone is in that space, they seem to see the worst intentions in other people which isnât fair to the folks trying to help them, and not productive for themselves. I know this can be a natural human response to feeling negative emotions, itâs just too bad.
I have the same problem with my sister, who was diagnosed with T2DM and was put on a keto diet by her Dr, who also had her see a dietician who specializes in keto. Sheâs the one who got me into trying keto initially, and I found the 2 keto guys online by googling. But she does a very modified keto, with a a lot more carbs, while I try to stick to the 20g or less. She also isnât interested in checking out either the 2 keto guys or this forum, and she has gotten fairly negative, especially after I surpassed her in the weight loss dept. She works out every day, unlike me, and hasnât lost anywhere near the weight. But, I am grateful that she steered me to keto, so I canât complain. We each have to deal with our own journey in our own way.
No, we are not done with the animals. At least I hope not. The occasional foray back on topic is okay, right? 
For the record, that exchange that we have been referring to on the other thread, that guy (who has since been kicked off the forum) wasnât just been sensitive or negative, he was being highly inapproriate and aggressively rude. Thatâs a different story.
Iâm thinking itâs time to take this off in a third OT direction, pets has run its course.
I know, letâs talk about how the US wonât move into the first-world with weights and measures!
You may be disappointed that many of us would just agree with you on that, and youâd have no one to argue with. 
The sure sign of an amateur. There is ALWAYS someone to argue with.
Max, my sweet boy
Sammy, my glamour girl. Pretty orange girl with fur as soft as a rabbit
Leah Leah. My huntress. She keeps the mice population down around the property. Sister to Sammy and rescued from a dumpster.
And my daughter-in-laws rescue. Momo was tied up outside and almost dead from thirst. The owner was more than happy for my DIL to take her home. She is the sweetest dog ever. When she wags her tail her whole butt wiggles. And so eager to please.
