If keto people are fasting so frequently, how is that any different from a starvation diet?

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(Bunny) #62

If your starving then your doing something wrong?

Eat when your hungry and don’t confuse carbs with junk food? (probably why people try to starve themselves?)

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(Patricia) #63

Wow, that was an eye-opener. Thanks so much for the info.

(Patricia) #64

Thanks!

(Patricia) #65

Yes, I definitely have a complicated relationship with food and my own body and its hunger and fullness signals. I’ve gotten a lot of helpful info on this post, and I am encouraged.

(Patricia) #66

Thanks. I do still have trouble distinguishing true hunger.

(Patricia) #67

Ha, ha, I like the picture.

(Failed) #68

@Momof5

Is there a forum thread about this? I so much want it to be true, but haven’t found much real evidence. Dr Fung doesn’t really confirm it, just says he’s never referred anyone for weight loss surgery.

(Susan) #69

I have just seen various threads where people have mentioned it over time, and the pics they post on the thread about before and after, and talking about it. Over the time I have been here, I have seen a lot of people mentioning it is all, and also youtube videos I have seen with people that have lost over 100 pounds on Keto and talking about it, how they did fasting at the same time, etc.

Before I found this forum I used to watch a lot of youtube videos about Keto, since I found this amazing place, I just talk about Keto here, and ask the people here and watch 2KetoDudes podcasts =).

This thread is pretty amazing:

https://www.ketogenicforums.com/c/progress/transformation

(Dawn Ellis) #70

You should not be hungry. Eat until you are full and then eat again only when you are hungry. Try to determine if it is real hunger or are you bored hungry or stressed hungry, neither of which is real hunger. If I recognize that I am bored and want a snack I don’t eat. If it is true hunger then I do eat. I do time restricted eating when I work. If l get hungry I eat.

(Patricia) #71

It’s doubtful that my skin will go back on its own, because of my age. After a while, skin loses its elasticity. This is yet another reason for those of you who are younger to not give up on keto. Your skin will thank you later. :slight_smile:

Also, for women who have had children, there may be problems with split muscle in the abdomen, and that does have to be repaired surgically.

#72

Hey Tulip, you already got so many great responses, but I just wanted to add/reiterate that fasting should not be about suffering with hunger, so don’t feel like you have to do a certain type or length of fasting (or any fasting) to be successful on keto. I tried a 24 hr fast once, and it was horrible, I thought I was going to die of hunger pangs and all I could think about all day long was food. I realized I made the mistake of not feasting prior to the fast, so my body didn’t really have much to live off of for those 24 hours (I was close to my goal weight at that point too, so not enough fat for it to burn). But now I do 20 hour fasts almost daily… I just make sure I eat PLENTY before I start that 20 hours. That’s how it’s different than an eating disorder, because with an eating disorder, the person is either 1. severely restricting, and/or 2. purging what they are eating. (my daughter has an eating disorder actually :frowning: currently in treatment :pray:) . Before I start my 20 hour fast, I am stuffed, but not to the point of suffering. I don’t believe in suffering for any diet. :slight_smile: GL!

(Patricia) #73

Here is some support for what you said. I just came across this.

Meal Timing Strategies Appear to Lower Appetite, Improve Fat Burning

Now I’m getting kind of excited about the idea. I don’t know about whole day fasts, but I am going to try limiting eating to a set time period during the day.

(Patricia) #74

Thank you! All the helpful replies I have received here are bolstering my motivation. I posted this link already on this thread, but here it is again…

Meal Tiiming Strategies Appear to Lower Appetite, Improve Fat Burning

#75

yaaa! Just make sure you do eat enough prior. And that could take days to figure out. The first few days if you feel super hungry during your fasting window, then plan to eat more the next day during your feeding window. If you’re suffering too much, if it were me I’d say break the fast early, eat, and start again the next day, eating more…
Everyone has different preferred eating windows too. For me, no matter how late in the day I eat, I’m starving the next morning and want my coffee, so I choose 8am-12pm as my eating window. Between 12pm and bedtime I am full. I go to sleep, and wake up ready for my coffee! Smooth sailing. On the weekends, I either adjust this to accommodate social plans, or I just don’t pay attention to a window at all, depending on the social plans.

(Patricia) #76

Ha, ha, coffee is the only reason I get up in the morning. :wink:

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #77

There are threads on the forums about both fasting and autophagy, and also about fasting to achieve autophagy.

The IDM Web site documents a couple of Dr. Fung’s patients who tightened up remarkably loose skin by fasting, rather than cosmetic surgery.

I was fortunate that my ketogenic fat loss was slow enough that autophagy was able to keep up, and so I never experienced really baggy skin. But I have an abdominal scar, the ends of which tend to stick out when I’ve lost fat, and then they retract again as autophagy tightens up the skin.

You might be surprised. I’m in my sixties, and the improvements I’ve noticed since going ketogenic are surprisingly varied. My skin is in better condition now than it was in my forties.

(Bunny) #78

I wanted to reintegrate about this concept of “fasting” is almost a bad name for it (normal and natural?), if you believe in Keebler Elves are real then you probably believe in the concept that breakfast (break-a-fast?), lunch (brunch) and dinner are also real?

Has any one ever stopped to think, who came up with those concepts? Ruth Graves Wakefield practically invented the concept of breakfast, lunch and dinner to make you buy more food, so if people wonder why they have diabetes, they have Nestles Toll House to thank?

Not gaining body fat is more about eating Whole Foods when you are really hungry rather than being programmed by the social acts of eating to buy and eat junk food to fill the pockets of the wealthy because you have been told you have to eat breakfast, lunch and dinner?

(April Harkness) #79

I fast due to Keto normalizing my hunger levels. I just am not very hungry anymore. I only eat when hungry and currently that is one time a day. I used to be a binger… breakfast, snack, lunch, snack, dinner, snack and still was hungry and would eat whole cartons of cookies at night, a box of dougnuts. Cans of frosting. I so wish someone was concerned about the frequency I was eating back then like many are now when I tell them I fast daily from 22-24 hrs a day. HORROR! I remember finishing off a DOZEN dougnuts of krispy kreme in front of my coworkers who thought it was funny and said, “well, you run that’s why you are skinny.” Lol at the time Iwas and even so…eating 12 dougnuts at one time is NOT good even if you are skinny and run. I would pay for it later. ANd I did.

Noone was concerned . in fact for my birthday at that job I was given a box of doughnuts bc everyone knew how much I loved thm. , for xmas a box and the day I left that job a box wrapped in ribbon.

But at the time I ran marathons…so it was…“ok”

Nope. That was a huge red flag to my eating disorder.

Bring on the fast. I can now say no to just eating because of social pressure. I no longer hide in my closet with tears running down my face eating cans of frosting. I can say no to SUGAR. Fasting has helped me with control. Keto has helped me obtain that control.

(BuckRimfire) #80

To cut out the sweetener, you might try adding some virgin coconut oil to your coffee. My wife insists it tastes sweet to her, although I don’t really find that to be so obvious. In a half-liter (two cups) of coffee I put one heaping tablespoon of coconut oil (I guess that would be two scant tablespoons if it was already liquid, but it’s rarely that warm in our kitchen) plus four tablespoons of heavy cream and blend it with an immersion blender.

Or switch to black or green tea for a couple of weeks? You might not associate that as much with the need for sweetener (unless you do :slight_smile:). Easier said than done, but try to think of these changes as an adventure, not a deprivation.

(BuckRimfire) #81

I won’t claim to be a guru. Low carb for a year, and I’ve read a lot, but forgotten most of it. What I do remember: all the OGs say “count carbs, NOT calories.” If you’re hungry, eat more protein and fat.

My wife and I used to be desperate for lunch by 11:00 every day on high carb. Now she almost never eats lunch, either skipping or having a few walnuts. I eat lunch out of habit, sometimes, but I’m also not trying to lose weight. If I’m busy, I can skip lunch without much thought.

If I were you, I’d have four sausages (or two sausages and two eggs) for breakfast and ditch the celery. Replace that with half an avocado, sprinkled with a little salt and/or lime juice, eaten right out of the skin with a spoon. If you’re STILL hungry, eat the other half of the avocado! They don’t keep very well anyway (although the discoloration doesn’t mean it’s not still good to eat a few hours late or the next day).