I think I’m out, y’all

(Ryan Ashton) #121

Sorry I kept asking about the carbs. It’s probably more important to keep a food diary than it is to measure blood ketones. Then if something changes interns of weight, energy, etc, it is easy to go back and see what you were eating.

(Ryan Ashton) #122

That’s good to know.

So, for some reason your body doesn’t seem to be preferring ketones as fuel as opposed to glucose.

High cortisol? My body fat was melting away until I started heavy training for Ironman. My stress levels went up, along with my fasting glucose and now I’m having trouble shedding the last 3-4% bad fat that I wanna lose for my race. Weight training can also cause cortisol to increase and if one is adding that on top of a stressful job and too much coffee then you’re heading for trouble.

(Ryan Ashton) #123

You might find this interesting…

https://lowcarbgenesis.com/blog/high-levels-ketones-not-equal-greater-weight-loss/

(What The Fast?!) #124

I used to track meticulously (for maaaaaaany months, and pre-keto as well). I stopped because I found it created more stress. Now I just test for ketones. And, I’m fasting so much that a few extra carbs don’t seem to affect ketosis. But, here’s an example. I broke an 89 hour fast yesterday with:
Lunch: 1 smal avocado with olive oil, bacon
Dinner: ribeye w blue cheese sauce (blue cheese, creme fraiche), bone marrow, Cobb salad (romaine lettuce, blue cheese, bacon, avocado), low carb cheesecake and 2 strawberries

This morning my BG was 82 and ketones 3.4.

Clearly I was feasting last night (also V Day). I don’t typically eat much dairy, yesterday was an exception.

#125

I have made sourdough starter from einkorn wheat. I used the highly milled version and then made the bread using einkorn I purchased from someone who grows it. I used to do this once a year for my daughter who really missed bread but has an intolerance to gluten which caused her to be very sad and emotional. She seemed to handle the einkorn fine but like I said it was a once a year thing.

(Wendy Shank) #126

Not sure the best way to share the recipe, but here is a link to a pdf I did (made the bread last night and wrote down what I did). Feel free to use any way you like on the site! https://www.dropbox.com/s/zcbkfd8zvnktywl/Sourdough%20Einkorn-Rye.pdf?dl=0

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(Brian) #127

It’s very pretty!! Any ideas on carb count?

(Kathy L) #128

I don’t think all naturopaths are created equal - I was very hesitant to go to one, but a podcast I listened to recommended a “functional medicine doc” ( Keto talk I think - over a year ago) a naturopath was the closest thing I could find. I checked out her bio before making appointment, and although she did have some dietary statements- healthy grains wasn’t included. I would NOT go to a doc who pushed a balanced diet including healthy grains!
I was looking for a doc to help me figure causes of my issues, not just treat my symptoms by throwing pills at me. She did very extensive blood & hormone testing - and the results were enlightening.
ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE COIN - my sister sees a natropath, holds on to two rods wrapped in wet paper towels,& hooked up to a computer. The computer tells the natropath, for example, that she has a virus, etc… then my sister PURCHASES drops to put under her tongue to fix the issue. ( I believe she’s buying the snake oil) I’m sure she’s never had any blood or hormone tests other than the standard variety.
SO - Natropaths are not all the same – but I do believe that there are some who are very good!

(jilliangordona) #129

Cortisol may be part of it. I am a teacher and I do drink coffee. I also meditate each night and practice yoga to balance

(jilliangordona) #130

Well, I’ve never had a weight change until I starting taking metformin. I used to track but stopped for a while, it’s just not the way my brain works.

(Rob) #131

In many cases, this is the new ‘non-crusty’ term for naturopath but your point is well taken. There are good and bad and if you find a good one that’s great. I’ve had some accupuncture that I went in thinking it was BS and came out going, 'holy shit, that actually worked!?!? :exploding_head:

Sheesh, you know who else uses holding onto two metal rods connected to a computer… Scientology!!

(Stan Brooks) #132

There is a great skeptoid episode that covers my thinking about this perfectly. You can find it here.

The TLDR: is if you actually follow medical science and want to help people then you shouldn’t call yourself the same thing as the cranks do.

(Kathy L) #133

WOW!

(Kathy L) #134

Believe me, I went in very skeptical- (my BS radar fully engaged!) and had my defenses ready for anything. Was very surprised at her open mindedness- & knowledge. She did the complete blood panel, including all the particle sizes & hsCRP, etc… (very detailed) my PHP doesn’t do that.
ACCUPUNCTURE: I sort of feel the same way…(bs) however the natropath did suggest I try it for pain in my feet- so it’s on the table but haven’t tried it yet. (I may though, if the pain becomes unbareable again) I’ve been stalled for a year - I think my feet would be happier if I could lose the remaining 50lbs.

(Stan Brooks) #135

Capn! Say it isn’t so tell me you have not fallen victim to the placebo monster!

(Rob) #136

To be fair it took about 30-40 minutes to actually work. I was already on the tube (subway) when I got up to leave the train and the back pain that was usually worst at getting up, had really subsided. It wasn’t cured but was never as bad again as it had been the prior weeks. It could have been coincidence but I find that less likely in this case.

I can well believe that shooting small electrical currents (it’s the electricity not the needles that do the business) through muscles that work on small electrical currents (if Frankenstein is to be believed :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:) may well be beneficial?

Anyway, one thing in the array of nonsense and snake oil doesn’t make me a believer in anything else I haven’t experienced or seen good evidence for :grinning:. Another example might be that many Chinese herbs contain a lot of the things we also supplement with (as much help as much of that is :thinking:) so it’s not inherently crazy.

Homeopathy OTOH should be paid for in the proportion of the price that is equivalent to the level of the infusion in the water!!

(jilliangordona) #137

I did accupuncture at the end of my appointment and although I have no chronic issues… I did feel super zen and happy at the end, I would definitely add it into my self care routine.

(Stan Brooks) #138

IF I am going to fall for a placebo effect, and being a human I have and sure I will again, I am going to pick something that doesn’t involve have some quack stick a bunch of needles in me.

(TJ Borden) #139

@comhcinc

Obviously it works. Have you ever heard a pin coushin complain of pain??? :microphone::facepunch: (it’s supposed to be a mic dropping- I’m not good at emojis)

All I know about acupuncture is that I couldn’t do it. I still flinch every time I check my blood glucose.

(jilliangordona) #140

This naturopath argument has already been moved once. As the OP, I appreciate if you kept it there instead of using this thread as a soapbox