I have known about low-carb since the early 90’s (I was too young to be dieting then, but I still did). My mom told me about when her doctor put her on one in the 70’s. The problem was there was no knowledge of sugar alcohol. I had tried and struggled with low carb diets until 2019 when I was told about keto and how fat can be used as energy. This was never mentioned in all the low carb books I had read. I was also not educated about artificial sweeteners. I just knew you subtract fiber and sugar alcohols to get net carbs. Then I learned about Maltitol and maltodextrin.
I Hope Keto Doesn't Get A Bad Reputation
Fangs
#42
and here comes the insults.
Yes eating pickles and berries is NOT carnivore and if you don’t understand that very small simple concept then there is no help for you truly about what the plan is all about.
I am not the carnivore food police, anyone can suck down veg and fruit all they want, less of it you eat the more carnivore adjacent you are I guess, but if you are eating this stuff constantly you are not carnivore.
There is a line about this plan. Sorry you can’t seem to understand that part and probably won’t, anyone who can say eating veg/fruit on carnivore plan is ok just sounds nutty to me too, because it isn’t the plan. The people who defend constantly eating veg/fruit etc. on carnivore is ok are the ones not doing the plan usually. I get it, defend the fact you aren’t doing the plan correctly and defend it with your best fortitude.
I bow out now. We both made our points in these posts.
Elizedge
(Elizabeth )
#43
That’s why from the very beginning the long-term people that popularized this movement and started the boards and the Facebook groups and have supported tens if not hundreds of thousands of people over more than a dozen years, do not call it carnivore for exactly that reason They call it ZC or zero carb. So yes eat whatever you want on carnivore but zero carb is zero plants 
Elizedge
(Elizabeth )
#44
This way of eating has been called carnivore-ish carnivore adjacent or in the old days dirty carnivores but never zero carb… https://www.zerocarbhealth.com/dirty-carnivore/
PaulL
(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?)
#45
Given that Amber’s excellent blog post on the subject of what to call plant-free eating has already been posted in this thread, (see post #32 above), I don’t see how any further discussion is going to add anything new or useful to this dialogue. I would suggest that it’s time to talk about something else closer to the original topic of this thread.