I can't believe what i am reading... šš¹š¹
Well well surprise the author is āplant basedā NSS
āShe has written several books but now that she is a plant-based eater, is healthier and happier than when she authored books about diet and happiness.ā
I just found it on Google. Itās such crap. Think of cavemenā¦ Itās our natural state to eat red meatsā¦ect. Crazy!!! I knew a vegan that went on and on to me that meat will give me cancerā¦YETā¦ she smoked cigarettes and drank vodka and took drugsā¦
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Agree 100% but we all know that for many āplant basedā people keto is the devil!
@MarkGossage I know right.
. I have a vegan friend and sheās a lovely girl. But even she told me itās not good. But she says itās my choice and dosent judge. Oh but she eats eggs so ok she must be vegetarian. I tried vegan onceā¦ And omgā¦kale was too gross for me.
.a kale smoothieā¦ yuckā¦. I a few months ago had a moment of weakness after 5 months of carnivoreā¦ ate a quarter of a large watermelonā¦and felt like I was in Hell.. Omg my stomach bloated and my body went into shock.
Kale has to be cooked well for me to touch it. Otherwise, itās pretty much inedible.
In fact, many plants have to be cooked well for me. I have a rare salad, but eat mainly cooked plants and not many of those. Canāt break my periodic chocolate addiction, though.
@ctviggen I ate RAW kale.
. YUCK!!! I agree I like most plant matter cooked to hell. But I am hardly eating any plsnt matter now, apart from a bit of lettuce and sometimes low carb condimentsā¦ I do have l oi w carb fruit infused tea to add to water for flavor. But Iām almost all Animal productsā¦ 
Donāt eat food that disgust youā¦ I didnāt eat green leaves on keto either as I canāt consider them food for me, itās like grass, tasteless or a bit bitter (cabbage is an exception, maybe because itās not very green? :D).
I often cook plant-based meals and they are very delicious. Vegan kitchen is amazing!
Too carby for me so I avoid it most of the time but it tastes really good. I mean what I am/was willing to eat. There are horrible plant-based things just like there are horrible keto dishes. We have our taste and people make some abominations on both diets.
Interestingā¦ Maybe you like plants only good cooked? Or just dislike raw plants?
I hate salads but love raw vegetables. I almost only eat them raw or as a crucial ingredient in my stews and other (usually meaty) dishes. Raw ones are crunchy and juicy and mostly thatā¦ But the cooked/fried ones are carbier and way tastier.
I donāt read the article and I donāt really care about such things. Even if the author wasnāt biased, I simply donāt care if keto is good, hard or what for the average person (well, I am a tad interested in the first but I am on keto forums since many yearsā¦ thatās more reliable even though obviously the average of the people there are very different from the average person. attitude, probably compatibility with keto too but still, due to the high number and negative experiences too, something shows. and there is science on all the forums I visit, very good points I can understand without any Chemistry and deep Biology knowledgeā¦)ā¦ I mostly care about what is good for ME. Our keto is different, our past before keto is differentā¦ If someone just pick a few person and look at their behavior, it says nothing about my behavior on keto after 10 years I went low-carb and knew I never go back to high-carb as itās way, way better and I donāt even miss about anything. I donāt always do keto but now I always do low-carb except on the day when I receive a ton of interesting sweets from Australia but that doesnāt happen in every decade in my life 
And even that canāt lead to weight gain as it doesnāt work that way.
I tried things. The less carbs I eat, the better I feel (I am not an idiot so I donāt swap carbs to some toxin or neglect my nutrients and ruining the joy of my eating in the process. I mean, bad, horribly unhealthy keto obviously exists. and what. every woe without very fixed rules about food choices have this. vegans can neglect protein and eat fruits galore, it canāt be good, even they should see it but no, fruitarians act like they would be little fruit eater critters still and not homo sapiens specimens. probably all fruitarians have some mental problems or some insane amount of ignoranceā¦ itās the highest of insanity. I have no problems with raw vegans, for example, they eat a not necessarily balanced but varied diet I liked raw vegan kitchen too and made such stuff in the past. but living on SUGAR? oh my good. canāt wrap my head around it since ages).
And when I take a too big misstep, my body tells me (it nudges when itās a tiny one too. like, a tablespoon of cream. too much sugar to its liking). So itās very clear what I should do.
And I like when people are open-minded and experiment and see things instead of listening to vegans who are arrogant enough to tell things they donāt even understand.
yea a ton of negative keto stuff out there and you should see how they butcher zc/carnivore out on the netā¦you will be dead by tomorrow if you eat my way HAHA
luckily those sites who give great info on lc, keto plan, zc/carnivore are out there!!
I think cooking plants destroys a lot of the anti-nutrients and other harmful products. See this for instance:
So, I can eat a well-cooked bell pepper, but have issues with one that is not. Same with many plants for me, though for some of them (eg, sweet potatoes), cooking doesnāt help.
Bell pepper and its relatives are the only things I refuse to eat cooked 
It is only good and crunchy when raw!
I donāt fear things in plants (except maybe sugar. I am careful with that but it doesnāt matter if itās animal or plant sugar, actually, my body complains just the same. but itās way easier for me to get too much sugar from grapes than from whipping cream :D). I always ate a ton of plants (thatās why my 40g net carb limit on keto was so challenging for me, I really missed my vegetables), raw and cooked and especially fried to oblivion and I never felt any problem. Except they made me hungry and it usually takes a lot of time to cook vegetables. Now I barely ever eat them so when I do eat them, I so donāt care, I enjoy the hell out of them in their most perfect state. Worrying would be much more unhealthy. But thanks for the link, itās nice to know things! I only know fermentation is supposedly good. I find fermented vegetables tasty but I still donāt need them. Well, I ate some sauercraut made with white wine not long ago, it was AGES ago I had any and I like it. But I didnāt miss it, just thought why not. I am not sure it was the best idea, vegetables lost their charm (carni broke meā¦). Oh well, it was harmless money spending (But I could buy so much liver with that moneyā¦)
Since starting Keto I canāt believe the lies on food labels that I had always trusted.
I donāt fear itā¦they cause me issues. Thereās a big difference in my digestion if I eat a well cooked bell pepper versus raw or barely good. Huge.
And I think youād be wise to fear many plants:
https://www.diagnosisdiet.com/full-article/micronutrients-and-mental-health
I still eat plants, just not many, and if they cause me issues, I try to avoid them
Plant based rubbish article. I have tried vegetarian and every other low fat diet. None are sustainable for me. Keto is my new life. It is sustainable, my health improvements have been miraculous.
No low-fat diet is sustainable for me for even for a few daysā¦ But I liked being a vegetarian. It wasnāt ideal and I changed later but it was high-fat, what else? I canāt not eat high-fat. I liked vegetarian keto too.
There are so many styles, be it vegetarian or keto or bothā¦ Sometimes not the whole thing is bad, just we need another style. I had this with keto, vegetarian diets are too carby (or impossible if itās low-carb enough. I did vegetarian keto but with way more than 20g net carbs) for meā¦ But it surely works well for others and low-fat or high-carb is very optional there. I always ate very much animal products, choosing the fattiest options possible. I really hate low-fat things. I ate tons of sweets and almost all were fatty. While others do it very differently. My old vegetarian diets would be horrible for many vegetarians and theirs would be unimaginable hell to me. The same with keto.
But of course, no diet, not even in its best form for the one in question can be the right one for everyone. Itās nice to find what is really for us.
Mostly true except the phytic acid part. Itās the lectins in beans which interfere with zinc absorption. Gut bacteria are efficient at degrading phytic acid.
Do you have any research showing walnuts lowering zinc plasma levels?
I saw the article pop up on a news feed a few days ago. Never read it. Been there, done that, still dealing with the damage of a vegan diet. Iāve done all of the McDougall stuff and numerous others and never did find the āhealthā promised. Iāll stick with low-carb, thank you very much. Itās what has worked! Plus, I eat so well!!
Since everyone āknowsā vegetables and plants are āhealthyā, itās difficult to find any research in this area. There is some, but not much.
Itās like when Atkins had to fund a study of low carb diets; at the time, everyone KNEW low carb was deadly.
Also, because of ethics rules, once it becomes established that something is āhealthy,ā that assumption can never be challenged again, so experiments to verify the result of the original study become forbidden.