How's my Keto diet, experts?


#1

Just finished week 3 on Keto. Am 54, 5’6" currently 163 lbs(lost 10 since starting Keto). Have struggled with my weight all my life.I grew up on a high carb diet and never changed. Until starting few weeks ago, ate lots of bread, potatoes, fried/ fast foods, candy, chips, soda, etc. I thought going without all that would be UNBEARABLE, but other than yesterday when I would have sold my soul for a cookie and a glass of milk(I didn’t), its been remarkably easy to follow. I feel pretty good --no more highs and lows through the day, less joint pain, more mental clarity, fewer digestive issues, and, most importantly, not feeling guilty and disgusted with myself every day!
I’m not, however, using any kind of “plan” so i would be grateful to have advice from you experts out there about my diet. here’s a 3 day sample:

3 cups coffee(1 tsp monkfruit,1/2 Tbsp Int’l Delight Hazelnut creamer in each cup)
3 egg mushroom and swiss omelet
4 strips bacon
1/2 avacado
6-8 black olives
3 celery sticks with all-natural peanut butter
4-oz steak
1/2 cup winter squash w/ 1 tsp butter
1/2 cup cooked spinach w/ 1 Tsp butter
Seltzer w/ lime

3 cups coffee as above
1 whole deviled egg
4 strips bacon
1 mini avacado
2-3 oz cheddar cheese
2 cups chicken stir fry (chicken, stir fry vegetables,1 Tbsp soy sauce)
2 squares 86% chocolate
1-1/2 cups unsweetened almond milk

3 cups coffee as above
1-1/2 deviled eggs
4 strips bacon
Atkins protein shake
1/4 cup pecans and brazil nuts
3 oz cheddar cheese
3 oz chicken
2-3 cups spinach salad (leaf spinach, tomatoes, onion, feta cheese, mushrooms, sunflower seeds, 2 Tbsp balsamic vinegar and olive oil)


(Ellie) #2

Congratulations on your decision to start keto and your losses so far.
In general you meals look ok, not great but ok.
Some changes I would make are macadamia nuts rather than the pecans and Brazil nuts.
Watch the balsamic vinegar for carbs, they are carbier than most people realise. Bin the Atkins shake.
You are mostly eating real food, which is the best thing. You don’t need packaged stuff.
There isn’t a huge amount of fat in your sample days, so if you start to feel peckish between meals consider adding butter to.your meats, or mayo to the salad.
Looking forward to seeing your progress!


(Carl Keller) #3

Hi Katie.

My question is how does this three-day meal plan affect your hunger? Do you feel content or wish you had more to eat?

I would also be wary of eating things with atkins or keto in the name, in lieu of real food. Otherwise your food choices look good.


#4

Thanks for the input. Does it look like the percentages of fat to protein to carbs is where it should be? Is there an easy way to plan a meal without having to look up every single ingredient and calculate the percentages? How closely do I need to monitor the percentages as long as the foods are “keto friendly”?


#5

Hey Carl
I generally don’t feel “hungry” in the way I used to–craving sweets and junk food and never seeming to get enough. Now, I know I need to eat because my stomach hurts from being empty. I work outdoors so the Atkins shake is sometimes just a “get something in my system before I pass out” kind of thing when I know I can’t get to real food for a while. I’ve been trying to bring food with me but cooking meat or eggs ahead of time doesn’t always happen! Still trying to figure this all out. Any pointers from the pros is appreciated!!


(Door Girl) #6

More fat might give you a longer full, keeping you from the feeling of a food emergency during the day.

Looks great for the most part, with the comments above noted. Is this working for you? There are tweaks possible, but there is no need to make perfect the enemy of the good.


(Little Miss Scare-All) #7

That coffee intake is impressive lol. Coffee, in a lot of people, can lowkey spike your insulin. 9 cups of coffee a day is a drain on your adrenals. When your adrenals crap the bed, your cortisol levels elevate. When your cortisol levels elevate, your body can hold onto fat, especially visceral fat around the mid-section.

Just sayin.


(Ellie) #8

There are some people who track very closely and some who wing it a bit more.
Personally I wouldn’t worry about % too much.
The thing to track to begin with is carb amounts in foods, until you get an idea of the carb counts of the things you like. Some are surprisingly high.
To start with stick with carbs 20g or under.
Moderate protein and enough fat so that are you full until the next meal without snacking.
That will get you 80% of the way there and is certainly as complicated as it needs to be to start off.


(John Cory Andrew) #9

I think she’s drinking 3 a day. You added the three days together


(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #10

The only macronutrient that is crucial is carbohydrate, which needs to be limited because of how it stimulates insulin secretion. We recommend keeping carbohydrate intake under 20 grams a day. As for protein and fat, if you eat them to satiety ( = eat only when hungry, stop eating when no longer hungry, don’t eat again until hungry again), then you don’t have to calculate.


#11

Tweaks are always helpful. What would you suggest?


(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #12

I would love to see the data that’s based on. In my two years on these forums I have learned two things about coffee: (1) coffee stimulates ketosis (presumably by lowering insulin levels), and (2) coffee inhibits ketosis (presumably by raising insulin levels). Unfortunately, no one has posted data from any studies in support of these assertions, so I am at sea, here. I have to confess that I dearly hope (1) is true, and not (2), because I dearly love my coffee.

Interestingly, the effect cannot be related to caffeine, because I have never seen a post to the effect that tea has any effect on ketosis whatsoever. So the effect of coffee must lie in some other chemical that it contains, but no one seems to be willing to name it.


#13

3 per day.


(Alec) #14

Terrible score… I am getting to 6 or 7. Come on, focus, you know you can get that score up there. :slight_smile:

@PaulL As a matter of interest Jason Fung seems to highly recommend coffee in his new book. I will try to find any references on the why.


#15

Really helpful. Been overwhelmed by too much information, trying to sort it all out and do this right. Simpler works for me!! Thanks


(Alec) #16

Below are his refs from his book on why he likes coffee. I haven’t studied them, but he seems to suggest coffee lowers T2D risk. Not sure yet on the mechanism. Here you go…

  1. van Dam, R. M., and F. B. Hu. “Coffee Consumption and Risk of Type 2 Diabetes: A Systematic Review.” JAMA 294, no. 1 (2005): 97–104.
  2. Ohnaka, K., et al. “Effects of 16-Week Consumption of Caffeinated and Decaffeinated Instant Coffee on Glucose Metabolism in a Randomized Controlled Trial.” Journal of Nutrition and Metabolism 2012 (2012): 207426.
  3. Ibid.
  4. Keijzers, G. B., et al. “Caffeine Can Decrease Insulin Sensitivity in Humans.” Diabetes Care 25, no. 2 (2002): 364–9.
  5. Ding, M., et al. “Caffeinated and Decaffeinated Coffee Consumption and Risk of Type 2 Diabetes: A Systematic Review and a Dose-Response Meta-Analysis.” Diabetes Care 37, no. 2 (2014): 569–86; Huxley, R., et al. “Coffee, Decaffeinated Coffee, and Tea Consumption in Relation to Incident Type 2 Diabetes Mellitus: A Systematic Review with Meta-Analysis.” Archives of Internal Medicine 169, no. 22 (2009): 2053–63.

#17

Don’t know if it matters but it’s decaf (3 cups of regular would put me in the ER). I just love it for the taste!! No matter what the experts say, I’m sticking with my joe! Even if most would consider it pointless without the caffeine!!


(Door Girl) #18

I don’t mess with artificial sweeteners, and I’ve heard a good number of people here say that monkfruit and others impact their progress. I would also switch to good old fashioned cream instead of the creamer. I think it has lots of factory made ingredients.

Winter squash is pretty high carb, so if it’s a rare thing and works for you no problem. But if you were repeating this 3 day block constantly it might cause you issues. Personally, I can handle those maybe every couple weeks because they make me hungry and give me cravings for days. But we are all different.

The protein shake is probably questionable, but that was addressed already.

Are there snacks in here? Moving your eating to just meal times helps a ton. And if you can’t yet, that is a good signal to up the fat for longer satiety. I’m now satisfied for so long that I often naturally only have one meal a day. If I’m hungry at another meal, I eat. But I often am not, and never force myself.

Honestly, if you are doing well now you are probably fine with all of these things. But you could see if any of these make a difference.

Probably more importantly, how are your electrolytes? Make sure you are on top of having enough salt. Very important as we don’t have all the hidden sodium of processed foods plus our bodies dump sodium when we cut carbs.


#19

Thanks for the tips! Since raw sugar, aspertame, sucralose, honey, etc are all no-no’s. I thought the monkfruit was the best option. The only time I use it is in my morning coffee(tried it black but just cant do it). Is there something else?
I agree on the winter squash. Gave me sweet cravings so probably won’t do that again!
I usually have the egg, bacon and avocado mid-morning. Some combination of meat, cheese, nuts, tuna salad in lettuce, salami and provolone roll-ups or such in the afternoon and the rest of whats on my list for dinner. Am grabbing some olives, cheese, nuts, etc before dinner quite often because I’m starved when I get home and takes time to prep dinner. What fats should I add to get me through longer??
Again, very helpful. thanks!


#20

All the electrolyte drinks have a lot of sugar/ fake sugars. What do I buy?