How much to keep a check on protein

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(Karen) #1

How do people manage to keep their protein to a reasonable level? My daily protein intake usually tops the scales quite dramatically and I always seem to end up eating less fat than I think I am supposed to. Today I have kept a keen eye on how many grams of protein I have eaten and I have already gone over the 45g cronometer suggests given my stats. I have eaten a small amount of chicken breast, which i might add is probably a third of the amount i had on my plate yesterday tbh with a scaled down amount of bacon which I am not overly keen on!. A small avocado and 2 large eggs with some parmigiano reggiano cheese. All measured and as I said I have already gone over 45g., in fact 110% of daily intake and i probably haven’t really finished eating yet lol. I will add here that i am not over weight so this is more to change woe and keep healthy. I also exercise daily as I do stair running and crossfit. 63 yes old 5’4" approx 126lb before anyone asks :slight_smile: just curious to know what people eat protein wise to stay within guidelines? Any meal with proper meat, steak chicken etc and fish pile on the grams!


(Allie) #2

By not limiting it at all and eating to my hunger, as many others do.


(Karen) #3

Thank you … though everything I have read up on keto appears to suggest limiting the protein while increasing fat?


(Michael - When reality fails to meet expectations, the problem is not reality.) #4

45 grams of protein is a very low amount. Unless you’re a midget. I would immediately question anything that sets a protein macro so low.


#5

Protein isn’t your enemy, eat it! At levels that low expect to start loosing muscle mass, which will of course raise your bodyfat %!


#6

I see keto as a simple concept – ā€œMinimal carbs. Adequate proteins. Fats as needed (for satiety).ā€

So there is no macro number for ā€œeating less fat than I am supposed toā€. Ideally, hunger should be what drives your fats intake, if only because if you are constantly hungry, keto won’t be sustainable.

Offhand, I would say 45 grams of proteins is not adequate for you. That is extremely low. This is the calculator I prefer (although it correctly incorrectly says too much protein will kick you out of ketosis):

Here’s what I get (using their estimate of body fat % for your vital statistics):


Generated by Keto Calculator 9.13

63/F/5’4" | CW 160 | 39% BF | Mostly sedentary

  • 1117 kcal Goal, a 20% deficit. (754 min, 1397 max)
  • 20g Carbohydrates
  • 101g Protein (59g min, 97g max) 78g Protein (59g min, 97g max)
  • 70g Fat (30g min, 101g max) 81g Fat (30g min, 111g max)


(Bob M) #7

The theory used to be that ā€œexcessā€ protein was like eating a candy bar in terms of what it did to your blood sugar. In fact, I bought a year’s supply of a CGM to ā€œproveā€ that high protein intake turned into blood sugar.

Sadly, no matter how much protein I ate, I could not get my blood sugar to go up. If you’re interested why, you can search the Interwebs for ā€œBikman protein glucagon videoā€.

I personally do not restrict protein, even eating low fat meals at times. I think the primary emphasis should be: what causes satiety?

For you, if that’s fat, then that’s what to eat. If it’s protein, eat that.

I note that the type of fat matters. Saturated fat >> MUFA >>>>> PUFA, in my opinion. So, (assuming you have no issues with dairy), ranch dressing made of sour cream is probably going to be more filling than mayo made with olive or avocado or – heaven forbid! – soybean oil.

But it’s really a matter of seeing what causes more satiety, and what doesn’t.


(Bob M) #8

I think that’s incorrect. If you think it’s correct, I challenge you to eat as much protein as you can and let us know the level at which you ā€œget kicked out of ketosisā€. I’ve eaten 300+ (400+?) grams of protein per day and have not gotten kicked out of ketosis.

Here’s an example day, over 160g of protein for lunch. (This is back when I was fasting 36 hours a lot.) The first row after the time is Keto Mojo’s BHB level, the second row is Precision Xtra’s BHB level, the third row is ketonix, the fourth row is Free Style Libre 14-day sensor readings, the next row is pin-prick blood sugar using the FS Libre or Bayer Contour EZ:

Sadly, this does not include dinner, which I’m sure I ate. Was still in ketosis the next day, according to my records.


#9

I don’t ever need to worry about my protein, it’s always perfect. I don’t care about guidelines, I eat and don’t worry about things if my body feels right.
I am almost always in the 80-160g range, usually above 100g and even that is more than enough for me (mildly active short woman) but the extra never causes any problem and it’s not so much more and not everyday…
I have plans for the future when I will need more energy but it will be quite natural, I just add not satiating fats and it will be perfect. I mostly use fatty protein sources, that helps but if I wanted to stay below 100g protein, that would be a losing battle and why bother? I am fine.

I never tried to get satiated with some lean protein as I always ate very fatty, that probably could cause problems (even if that would be just me not wanting to eat very high protein. I already eat unnecessarily much). But we need some fat on any woe and usually somewhat more on keto… Sometimes even I eat lean meat but I need to add a substantial amount of fat somehow (not necessary to the same dish) and things get balanced out well enough.


(Karen) #10

That’s great news as I have been eating way more than that in fact the app usually says i’ve eaten over 300% which I thought was maybe too much.


(Karen) #11

Got to admit that the science bit is a bit above my head. I may have to buy a book on the science so I can get my head around it. I managed to read and understand the science of sleep ā€˜why we sleep’ at least i think that’s what it was called as I passed it to my daughter to read lol.i need it in book form though not on the internet.


(Karen) #12

I am putting a good mix in as best I can. Plus I add the occasional crackling snacks to get extra fat in.


(Karen) #13

OMG I wat way more than 1117cals! I m on at the very least 1800 and at the most… depending on how much exercise I have done, 2200cals. I would be starving myself on 1117cals! I exercise daily doing over 100 floors stair running and a crossfit wod 3 to 5 times a week… there would be nothing left of me hahaha


(Karen) #14

Thank you for all the replies. I will take another look at Cronometer to try and understand the protein limit and see what has gone amiss in the calculation but definitely feel a lot better knowing I should be eating more than it states. I did think it couldnt be right when I checked out the photos of what people are eating on here :slight_smile:


#15

Sometimes people mistakenly consider the weight of what they eat rather than the composition…500 grams of beef isn’t 500 grams of protein, for example.


#16

Ack. I need to proofread better. I meant incorrectly. I agree with you.


#17

Because I believe hunger should be the guide to how much to eat, I only use the carbs and proteins macros. You want to keep carbs low because that’s what keeps you in ketosis. You need to get enough proteins, because your body needs them. Getting too few proteins over an extended period can cause the body to get it elsewhere, which could lead to breakdown of muscle tissue.

After those two criteria are met, it’s fats and proteins to satiation. Again, if only because any way of eating that leaves you hungry all the time won’t be sustainable.

Note that means you don’t really even have to count calories, since they are already being managed by how the macros pan out. Calories are just an accumulation of those macros.


(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #18

Our recommendation for protein intake is 1.0-1.5 grams of protein per kilogram of lean body mass a day. Some experts recommend as much as 2.0 g/kg.

Say someone weighed 220 pounds, which is 100 kilograms. And say that person’s body composition was 30% fat and 70% lean tissue. Then he or she would want to eat 70-105 (and possibly up to 140) g of protein a day. Given that most meats contain 25% protein, that means eating 280-420 grams of meat, possibly up to 600 grams. Since a pound = 454 grams, that means an amount of meat in the range of 10 to 15 ounces, possibly up to 21 ounces.

Using this formula, 45 grams of protein would be appropriate for someone weighing in the neighbourhood of 50 kg, or 110 pounds, with a body fat of 30%.


(Daniel Riggs) #19

I wouldn’t worry about it. I’m type 2 diabetic but I eat mostly carnivorish. I’ll have a good salad, olives, avocado sometimes but mostly beef, pork, chicken, cheese, eggs, cream, bacon… you get the idea. I don’t watch calories. I don’t count macros. My blood sugar is consistently in the lower 90s and mid to upper 80s. Check out Dr. Shawn Baker’s book and videos. He’s kind of kooky but I really liked his book. very approachable content.


(Karen) #20

I’m not too worried about blood sugar level or checking blood or urine for ketones… I will try and forget calories which is hard after all these 63yrs :slight_smile: and just concentrate on eating the fat protein and below 20g carbs. My issue at the moment is trying to stop binge eating. Fortunately it isn’t on carbs. So long as I don’t gain weight I am happy on Keto.