Let me begin by saying that I am not against people who are vegan. But I’m beginning to see an increasingly pro-active vegan culture that is attempting to remove meat from our diets. From false science to tax on meat, we are potentially facing serious obstacles to our long-term better health. Case-in-point, I saw this posting on Twitter from Panera Bread. What was most interesting were the comments from vegans who are vilifying people who are not like them and choose to eat meat for our better health. Am I the only one who is concerned?
How is Keto going to move forward in a world that is increasingly anti-meat and pro-vegan?
CTCheesehead
(Rick Ramthun)
#1
Screenack
(less is more, more or less)
#2
I fully agree. The anti-meat “forces” are aided by USFDA policy and regulations, no less, which is why we need to support Nina Teicholz’s Nutrition Coalition
Dipper_Actual
(CharleyD)
#4
Harder to kill an idea, especially one tailor-made to make you feel good about your moral superiority about saving the planet…
CarlKeller
(Carl Keller)
#5
There were an estimated 1 million vegans in 2008, according to Vegetarian Times. There were an estimated 1.6 million vegans in 2017, according to Veganbits.com. So the vegan numbers are not growing as fast as you suggest. Still, 87% of Americans consider themselves omnivores so it’s pretty safe to say there won’t be any meat bans coming up any time soon.
Alley
#8
that was probably because 2 million joined as the rest stopped and had meat to save there health
anon54735292
#9
Apparently 84% of vegans & vegetarians return to meat so you have to wonder who gets included in the 1.6 million. I was vegetarian for 30 years but have met very few people who stuck to it for that long.
CarlKeller
(Carl Keller)
#10
No doubt. I wonder how many of the 1.6 million vegans now were vegans 10 years ago. I’ve read/watched a lot of horror stories from ex-vegans who said it ruined their health.
Bellyman
(Brian)
#11
The strictest vegans tend to start having health issues, not all, but many.
I would guess the vegan rah-rah-ree will fade for the individual when they start feeling like crap and decide to go back towards using at least some animal products.
I don’t think the retention rate of those going vegan is as high as one might think but can’t remember the source of that idea.
I’ve been vegan. I’ve been a keto omnivore even approaching carnivore. For me, there is no question that vegan was a whole lot harder and a whole lot less healthy for me.
anon54735292
#13
It can be healthy but it’s a very difficult diet to do properly & so, so many don’t do it properly. It requires a lot of work!
CarlKeller
(Carl Keller)
#15
@newtoketonot I hope my previous posts didn’t come across as anti-vegan. I am not. There are many positives to veganism, but a diet that requires me to take pills (supplements) in order to be fully healthy, is not the diet for me. I just don’t like the preachy vegans who accuse omnivores of ruining the planet or taking part in animal cruelty. It’s as if veganism is a religion to those types.
Bellyman
(Brian)
#16
For those who can make it work, it does take considerable effort.
I’m of the opinion, and it is just my opinion, that it will not work for some no matter how careful or thoughtful they come to it. It may bea in part due to genetics. Or maybe there are some other factors.
I wanted it to work. I studied. I was strict. And I supplemented heavily trying to get healthy. It just didn’t work for me. At the time, it was very disheartening, especially since I could point to about 3 specific people for whom it seemed to be working marvelously long term. One is over 90 years old.
It may be like that for some trying keto…
Matthew44
(Matthew)
#19
Don’t get tribal, don’t make it personal. Them versus us etc.
Individual freedom of speech beats group collectivism every time.
If not, we are doomed as a species.
Duncan_K
(Duncan Kerridge)
#20
