How do you convince someone this isn’t right?!

(Brandi ) #1

How do you convince someone that this isn’t right?! This just makes me furious that doctors are pushing this. :rage: This is a coworker of mine and she has high cholesterol/triglycerides and this is what the docs are giving her. I’ve tried to reason with her, but I feel like she sort of doesn’t believe me bc her doc is feeding her this BS. Any advice?

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(LeeAnn Brooks) #2

Unfortunately, I’m not sure you can. People have to make their own decisions. You can put it out there, but they are responsible for their own choices.

I have a coworker who is diabetic, not sure which type, and suffers from seizures. I’ve mentioned Keto to him as a treatment for both, but he’s old school and refuses to believe anything but fat is bad for you, cholesterol must be kept low, and fruits and veggies should be eaten to excess.

People have to make their own choices. Trying to convince someone set in their diet ways is like trying to convert an atheist to find Jesus.

As an atheist I can attest it’s a futile attempt.

Maybe something somewhere along the line will convince them, but it’s going to be a moment of self-discovery. You can put the info out there, but they have to take possession of it.

#3

I often see the wheels cranking after I ask “Is it working for you though?” People get these ancient handouts, look them over and say -I’m already doing all this.

(Brandi ) #4

Yeah, I suppose I just have to keep telling her as long as she’ll listen and not get mad lol! She asks me about it all the time, but then I hear her say little things about the food she shouldn’t be eating and I just tell her it’s ok to eat that. I just HATE that people trust doctors SO MUCH. I realize they have a place and we need them, but I’ve had numerous docs admit they know nothing about nutrition. They’re blindly recommending what the government says. So stupid. This is why I’m going back to school for nutrition. This is my passion and I want to help the people that WANT help (and usually can’t find it!).

(Aimee Moisa) #5

I second that.

(Brandi ) #6

I kind of understand the sentiment. I’m not sure I’m an atheist, but I have a very scientific mind and I have lots of questions and don’t get the answers that make sense. I know religion is about “faith” buuuuut…idk I’m still confused lol! So that’s a good comparison.

#7

That has to be one of the most confusing diet guides I’ve ever seen. Cannot believe qualified medical staff can use it without embarrassment.

(Brian) #8

You can say most anything you want, no matter how ridiculous, if no one every questions it. And the more people say it, the easier it is to believe it’s factual.

FWIW, I’m not an atheist. But I do happen to think people have some pretty messed up beliefs about God and religion, many of which get propagated in some pretty diverse places.

(Brandi ) #9

I agree wholeheartedly!

#10

For many, the advice of a doctor carries a lot more weight than the average coworker, even when the doctor has no idea what they are talking about. I agree with @AndySat that the nutrition advice is all messed up and should be an embarrassment.

It could be a generation or two before we completely overcome the fallacy that “saturated fats are bad for you” in the medical community.

(Alec) #11

What I find hysterical and troubling at the same time is that they think margarine and vegetable oils are good for you.

And to lower triglycerides you should drink fruit juice? Yeah, right!

This diet sheet looks straight out of the 80s. It is pretty much what I was told when I had high cholesterol back then.

What you need to show your co-worker is the science that Zoe Harcombe explains: lower cholesterol leads to higher all cause mortality. So why does she want to reduce her cholesterol? One of the fundamental building blocks of our body??

(karen) #12

Just curious as to where these pages came from. The reference to “soft margarine” makes me think it’s at least 25 years old if not more; even the SAD community has updated these guidelines a bit.

(Just thinking out loud, that if you could get your friend to at least find an updated version of SAD guidelines, maybe that would be the gateway to something a bit … less sad.)

(Lonnie Hedley) #13

Even the paper looks faded. Very well could have been in a drawer for 25 years.

(Aimee Moisa) #14

Or criminal.

(Banting & Yudkin & Atkins & Eadeses & Cordain & Taubes & Volek & Naiman & Bikman ) #15

You don’t. You model the way with your success, and you let people come to you. You will always be less credentialed than a doctor. So, the best you can do is walk the walk and let people come to you for the talk.

(Lonnie Hedley) #16

Unless you become a doctor?

(karen) #17

Unfortunately I think it’s more complicated than that. Hubs cholesterol is slightly high, nothing to write home about (I think it was 215) and his NP was really frustrated because I stepped in and said ‘no thank you’ to the suggestion for statins. She said she totally agreed with me, but she’d have to create a rationalization for the insurance company in order to justify not prescribing statins. (Apparently “pushy wife with more than half a brain” does not qualify as a justification.) For a while we we discussed getting the prescription and just chucking it, just to satisfy the powers that be. :roll_eyes::rage:

(Lonnie Hedley) #18

Huh? Maybe I need to clarify my unhelpful comment.

I know, I know, I’m adding nothing to the conversation. But idle hands during my lunch hour…

(Banting & Yudkin & Atkins & Eadeses & Cordain & Taubes & Volek & Naiman & Bikman ) #19

Even then, it’s a citation war. No one wins a war of citations.

(Jeanne Wagner) #20

Ask them to show you the proof that the diet is helpful. Show me the science! You can show THEM the science.

This was posted in another thread here in the forums. https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/how-to-win-an-argument-with-a-nutritionist

For instance it has positively been proven that saturated fats do not cause heart disease. There are studies that do prove this.