Holy Moly Dreams! (lucid/vivid dreaming on keto?)


#1

I’ve now been in keto for 3 weeks and 1 day. Intermittent fasting during the work week (and regular breakfast / dinner + keto grazing on weekends). Had one cheat meal on Dec 9th baby shower dinner – but bounced back quickly w/ no other slips keeping to 10-30 grams of carbs per day. Weight loss with a large initial drop in water weight. (I’m 6’1, goal weight is 180):

But lately I’ve had extremely vivid dreams. While I don’t really crave non-keto foods during the day, I have dreams where I am eating lots of carbs-heavy foods – or crackers. But often in very bizarre and vivid settings (ships, post-apocalyptic, science-fiction-like).

That’s not by itself unusual but they are wildly vivid and occasionally lucid (self-aware that I am in a dreaming state without breaking the dream).

Anyone else experience this on keto?


(Allie) #2

Are you supplementing magnesium? This causes deeper sleep which can cause more vivid dreams.


(Hyperbole- best thing in the universe!) #3

My dreams are usually lucid, at least the ones I remember, so that’s not new with keto for me. But I hadn’t remembered dreaming for quite a while before keto, and now I’m starting to more often again.


(John) #4

I have not noticed this effect.


(Brennan) #5

I used to lucid dream all of the time when I was a kid, only happens occasionally this last decade or so. I can’t remember it happening since going keto ~3 months.


(Bunny) #6

I do that all the time, I am fully conscious or hyper-aware while dreaming and actually willingly allow myself to continue the scenario in my dream while awake and sometimes control it (the outcome).

The reason being that their is a stage beyond unconsciousness termed the substratum or super-conscious mind (beyond sleep) or origin of thought (the master gravitational circuit) which is much deeper than sleep but your AWAKE! A high glucose metabolism tended to impair my abilities to connect with it!

Sometimes dreams can be actual gifts of prophecy but it would be a curse to the observer?


(Brennan) #7

Anytime I had lucid dreams I had complete control, I could do whatever I wanted to. I used to run and fly alot, total freedom. (I slept alot as a kid :sleeping:)


(Carl Keller) #8

It’s normal for many to have vivid dreams when our brains are being fueled mostly by ketones. Ketones certainly can improve mental clarity so it should not be surprising that there’s more activity in them, even when we sleep.

I usually have 2-3 really wild dreams that are so vivid that I can recall minute details in them after I am awake. While a few have included food in them, I never seem to have battles with temptation and fortunately I’ve yet to have anything resembling a nightmare.


(Consensus is Politics) #9

I’ve been Keto for just over a year, and there has been some differences. In my case I’m a little worried about it.

For several years before keto, I have had semi lucid dreams. Not a full on dream state per se, more like almost asleep and the show is starting early. Quite literally looks like a small screen in my eyelids. Covering a small area of about 16 square inches at arms length away. But I don’t focus my eyes on it, it stays in focus. If I turn my head the image moves as if it’s anchored to the spot in space. I once began to see another image appear from behind me but never saw it completely. Always in normal looking color too.

I have an idea of why. I think it might have been my blood pressure meds causing this. They began the same week as starting metoprolol.

After going keto something new happens. I don’t always get these images when falling asleep. But I do always get them right after waking up, if I do a stretch. You know, full body push out the legs and shove hard. When I do that, I get what looks like a small window fade into view, or more like a small tv screen. Fades in, I can see it clearly, and it exists for maybe 5 seconds before fading out. Gone until tomorrow.

In both cases this image disappeared as soon as I would open my eyes. Close my eyes and it’s gone still. Then one morning, I was laying on my side facing the window when I woke. I had my eyes open, I was looking out the window, and a second window appeared on a blank spot of the wall. It had full continuity with what should be seen if a real window was there. The lighting was different, more sunlight, and dinosaurs. Yep. There was a T-Rex standing in my front yard pulling weeds, it looked like. Further down the street, as this window would look right through the intersection (my house is at the top of a “T” intersection) I could see more smaller dinosaurs wandering around. But again this lasted just maybe 5 seconds before fading.

Now the one that worries me. I have been worried about this happening too. I woke up, the wife was already awake and putting on her coat. I sat up to ask her why is she heading out so early, she looked right at me and vanished. The she answered me, from right beside me. I had just woke her up, so I played it cool and sai, I didn’t say anything. You must have been dreaming. :woozy_face:

All of these dreams or hypnogic episodes never had anyone I knew in them until this one. Always people I don’t know in places I’ve never seen. Couples eating food at a table, parking cars right in front of me. Parking aircraft right next to me (including jet noise).

I have had on occasion been able to control the action in the little windows. Essentially behaving like a remote camera repositioning or panning. I once did make the a car in one of these lift off the road and flip over.

I’m seriously thinking of looking up a shrink if I continue to have any more of these episodes while awake.

I beleive there is something to this stretching I mentioned. I could wake up and lay there for 20-30 minutes and not see one of the until I stretch. Sure enough there it it. And what gets me is how this figment in my mind can be anchored in 3D space.


(James) #10

I’ve had a lot of pleasant dreams lately. Usually, I wake up in a blanket tent.


(Carl Keller) #11

(Consensus is Politics) #12

Oh wow. You got to love it when the possible side effects include psychosis :pleading_face:

That article also mentioned things turning into animals. I can confirm that one. Saw my shoes turn into a cat and walk out of the room. My computer chair stand up into a person standing there. Other things turning into rodents, birds, and giant lizards :t_rex: .

The follow that said he realized it was his meds and not going crazy seeingbdead people, so he thought based on the positive effects of the drug he wanted to continue taking it. I think he just missed the hallucinations and wanted them back.

The really strange thing is how absolutely realistic it looks. Blows my mind. I swear I could smell the flowers in the little window next to me. But strange thing was when I had gained control of them, and flipped them over, they didn’t fall out of the vase. Even the paintings that would sometimes show up on the wall had the correct perspective for the wall, based on my point of view. Which is mind blowing considering the room was dark and I couldn’t see the wall for a moment. And it matched up with it perfectly. :exploding_head:


(Consensus is Politics) #13

I think just being keto has helped me with that😎

Will be very interesting if the effect of metoprolol and keto get together on that. :crazy_face:


(Carl Keller) #14

He probably hasn’t had this much fun taking medicine since the time he was taking Flintstones vitamins. BTW, the Dinos where the best. :wink:


(CharleyD) #15

Yep. The dreams for the past couple years on keto have been much more memorable. Especially when I take magnesium and my usual 9000 mg of EPA/DHA at night.


(Mother of Puppies ) #16

CRAZY DREAMS taking magnesium!!!

I was in an abandoned building with my work backpack and purse and …someone took them from me and I was so intently trying to get them back that I didn’t wanna wake up.

In my 24 hour fast, I kept dreaming I ended it early, even down to writing the shorter number on my calendar.

Waking up in both cases was startling!! :joy::joy::joy:


(Hyperbole- best thing in the universe!) #17

That is so weird when you know it is a dream, but still think it is real at the same time.


(Mother of Puppies ) #18

@Ruina that is just a guess . I felt like someone was tapping me on the shoulder, but I brushed them away — could not stop focusing forward. :joy::joy::joy: