I’m confused by this. From day 1 you’ve lost 2.2 lbs. One pound of which is fat and 1.2 lbs of which is lean. Is this actually an improvement so far?
You’re right… No. It’s not good, but it’s noisy
180.2 -> 178.0 total (lost 2.2)
140.4 -> 139.2 lean (lost 1.2)
39.8 -> 38.8 fat (lost 1.0)
So I’ve lost more lean mass (55%) than fat mass (45%) but that’s over just 5 days so not representative just yet.
My point was that the lean loss looks controlled compared to my fasting results (back in March/April) but it’s taking a massive protein intake to achieve that.
I have a DEXA coming up on July 6th. That should be a better measure. The 1lb variance is too small relative to my water flux on a daily basis. Basically, the measured variable is still in the noise.
Yesterday morning: 139.4 lean, 38.6 fat
Yesterday afternoon: 138.9 lean, 38.3 fat
The only difference was drinking coffee, water and salts/supplements. So I don’t believe that I really lost 0.5lbs of muscle and 0.3lbs of fat.
Real changes in composition happen at night while sleeping so this midday change over 12 hours is noise.
If you look at the plot of mass changes, you can see how spiky it is. Need more time to see a trend.
I’m interested in how it will compare to the high fat more moderate protein segment you did on carnivore.
I’ll compare all when I’m done. It’s the benefit of DEXA scans every three weeks.
- The long fasting experiment
- The cyclic fasting experiment
- The mostly carnivore experiment
- This pseudo keto + fasting protein experiment
They say you can’t walk into the same river twice (paraphrasing), so the different starting points & adaptations mean that the results are not exactly apples to apples… but it’s the best I can do with one lab rat.
This morning was my first dry fasting attempt in a high protein week. It was really not different from the usual. I didn’t like it while fasting or on high fat keto … and I equally dislike it on high protein keto.
Hunger improves every day now. After the timing shifted from late night to midday, the midday sensations have been reducing day by day.
Extended fast: 1->3 = -7.0 fat -3.7 lean
… 65% of reduction was in fat
Cyclic fast: 3->5 = +0.8 fat +1.6 lean
… 33% of increase was in fat
Carnivore: 5->7 = -1.8 fat -0.6 lean
… 75% of reduction was in fat
Protein: -1.0 fat -1.2 lean (after one week)
… 45% of reduction was in fat
But I’m going to give it all three weeks and see
Karim's muscle gain carnivore adventure
How long do your dry fasts usually go? I haven’t tried them, but heard they’re exponentially more powerful than water fasting.
13-14 hours and it hurts.
This from the guy who did 19 days water fasting.
I don’t think it’s safe personally. It may be the fastest path to autophagy but biological systems don’t like “fast”
Hmmm. Maybe it’d be easier if you considered your sleeping hours part of it, and just add on a few of the waking hours? Not sure if that makes a huge difference in impacting it’s benefits though.
That’s exactly what I do. The 13 hours is 7 sleeping + 6 awake
I’m thinking of starting soon. I’m already fasting, so might as well stop drinking in a couple hours and resume drinking tomorrow.
Only liquids between the two readings. So updated result would look like:
180.2 -> 176.8 total (lost 3.4)
140.4 -> 138.8 lean (lost 1.6)
39.8 -> 38.0 fat (lost 1.8)
So now fat loss is 53% of total and I’ve lost 1.2lbs more… so much noise
Pre-meal: 75G, 1.4K
That’s aligned with a fasted state again.
You too. Pool day tomorrow!
Is it a community pool or in your yard?
I just… can’t… do… any… more… pea protein powder porridge!
The volume of plant material needed to equal one steak is just insane! I have consumed three large bowls of the stuff and while they taste ok… it’s just too much. 250g of protein powder mush is exhausting.
It’s a community pool but such a nice one and the community is small so there’s usually no one else.
Look at all you do in the name of data-collecting. Though much of it goes over my head, I hella appreciate you here and I try to learn new things from your threads.
I cant even imagine eating that amount of pea porridge