High Protein Modified "Keto + Fasting" muscle building with low fat

(mole person) #110

I’m confused by this. From day 1 you’ve lost 2.2 lbs. One pound of which is fat and 1.2 lbs of which is lean. Is this actually an improvement so far?

(Karim Wassef) #111

You’re right… No. It’s not good, but it’s noisy

180.2 -> 178.0 total (lost 2.2)
140.4 -> 139.2 lean (lost 1.2)
39.8 -> 38.8 fat (lost 1.0)

So I’ve lost more lean mass (55%) than fat mass (45%) but that’s over just 5 days so not representative just yet.

My point was that the lean loss looks controlled compared to my fasting results (back in March/April) but it’s taking a massive protein intake to achieve that.

I have a DEXA coming up on July 6th. That should be a better measure. The 1lb variance is too small relative to my water flux on a daily basis. Basically, the measured variable is still in the noise.

For example:
Yesterday morning: 139.4 lean, 38.6 fat
Yesterday afternoon: 138.9 lean, 38.3 fat

The only difference was drinking coffee, water and salts/supplements. So I don’t believe that I really lost 0.5lbs of muscle and 0.3lbs of fat.

Real changes in composition happen at night while sleeping so this midday change over 12 hours is noise.

If you look at the plot of mass changes, you can see how spiky it is. Need more time to see a trend.

(mole person) #112

I’m interested in how it will compare to the high fat more moderate protein segment you did on carnivore.

(Karim Wassef) #113

I’ll compare all when I’m done. It’s the benefit of DEXA scans every three weeks.

I have

  1. The long fasting experiment
  2. The cyclic fasting experiment
  3. The mostly carnivore experiment
  4. This pseudo keto + fasting protein experiment

They say you can’t walk into the same river twice (paraphrasing), so the different starting points & adaptations mean that the results are not exactly apples to apples… but it’s the best I can do with one lab rat.

(Karim Wassef) #114

This morning was my first dry fasting attempt in a high protein week. It was really not different from the usual. I didn’t like it while fasting or on high fat keto … and I equally dislike it on high protein keto.

Hunger improves every day now. After the timing shifted from late night to midday, the midday sensations have been reducing day by day.

(Karim Wassef) #115

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Extended fast: 1->3 = -7.0 fat -3.7 lean
… 65% of reduction was in fat

Cyclic fast: 3->5 = +0.8 fat +1.6 lean
… 33% of increase was in fat

Carnivore: 5->7 = -1.8 fat -0.6 lean
… 75% of reduction was in fat

Protein: -1.0 fat -1.2 lean (after one week)
… 45% of reduction was in fat

But I’m going to give it all three weeks and see

Karim's muscle gain carnivore adventure
(George) #116

How long do your dry fasts usually go? I haven’t tried them, but heard they’re exponentially more powerful than water fasting.

(Karim Wassef) #117

13-14 hours and it hurts.

This from the guy who did 19 days water fasting.

I don’t think it’s safe personally. It may be the fastest path to autophagy but biological systems don’t like “fast”

(George) #118

Hmmm. Maybe it’d be easier if you considered your sleeping hours part of it, and just add on a few of the waking hours? Not sure if that makes a huge difference in impacting it’s benefits though.

(Karim Wassef) #119

That’s exactly what I do. The 13 hours is 7 sleeping + 6 awake

(George) #120

I’m thinking of starting soon. I’m already fasting, so might as well stop drinking in a couple hours and resume drinking tomorrow.

(Karim Wassef) #121

Morning results:

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Afternoon results:

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Only liquids between the two readings. So updated result would look like:

180.2 -> 176.8 total (lost 3.4)
140.4 -> 138.8 lean (lost 1.6)
39.8 -> 38.0 fat (lost 1.8)

So now fat loss is 53% of total and I’ve lost 1.2lbs more… so much noise

(Karim Wassef) #122

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fat prediction on point
lean mass off during the pseudo-fast

(Karim Wassef) #123

Pre-meal: 75G, 1.4K

That’s aligned with a fasted state again.

(Little Miss Scare-All) #124

Happy Friday!!!

(Karim Wassef) #125

You too. Pool day tomorrow!

(Little Miss Scare-All) #126

Is it a community pool or in your yard?

(Karim Wassef) #127

I just… can’t… do… any… more… pea protein powder porridge!

The volume of plant material needed to equal one steak is just insane! I have consumed three large bowls of the stuff and while they taste ok… it’s just too much. 250g of protein powder mush is exhausting.

(Karim Wassef) #128

It’s a community pool but such a nice one and the community is small so there’s usually no one else.

(Little Miss Scare-All) #129

Look at all you do in the name of data-collecting. Though much of it goes over my head, I hella appreciate you here and I try to learn new things from your threads.

I cant even imagine eating that amount of pea porridge :rofl: