High fibre diet study.... Thoughts?

(Bob M) #14

I do the same, but I wonder if I have to. When I started 5+ years ago on low carb, I “had” to have vegetables at every meal (which when I started was 5+ meals a day; so little I knew then). As I’ve read more and more, I’ve lessened this. I now rarely eat any vegetables for lunch, sometimes I’ll have olives. Today, for my “blunch” (no breakfast) at 10:30 am (after Body by Science at 6:30 am), I had 3 eggs, a slug (say 2/3 a pound) of shrimp, a container of mussels, a can of anchovies. (Note: lower in fat, higher in protein.) No vegetables. Tonight, I may or may not eat vegetables, depending on what my wife makes for dinner.

Yesterday, I had some sauerkraut with shrimp for my “blunch” at 3pm. I think that caused me stomach upset. It was hard to tell. I also had some green beans (cooked) last night for dinner. That seemed to affect me negatively, as I had steak for dinner, which has never affected me. Of course, causation is always difficult, and maybe it was just not eating all day, then eating. It’s hard to tell.

Anyway, I don’t hold vegetables in as high regard as I once did. I find I can easily go without them, but I still like their taste and they provide some variety. I no longer call them “healthy” though (nor do I refer to anything else as “healthy”, as I’m not longer sure what IS healthy). And I’ve read quite good arguments saying vegetables are actually bad for you, due to the naturally-occurring pesticides, goitrogens, and anti-nutrients in them.

(Garry (Canada)) #15

That’s a strange combination… No wonder you felt like crap! :joy:

(Karen Parrott) #16

Your colon will let you know. Too often colon blow or too little rabbit pellets will give you the feed back you need.

Eyes on your own poo-poos. It’s very individual. It pays to customize and focus on your own gut health. Too many veg, too few really mess me up. Your milage WILL vary- all my 2 cents.

(The amazing autoimmune 🦄) #17

I eat plenty of fiber with the Keto diet. While Listening to a carnivore podcast they made the case that fiber is not needed in the diet and that some people feel better without fiber.

#18

I think scientists are only on the cusp of understanding the importance of fiber. They’ve only recently realized the impact that the gut biome has on various body functions. A healthy gut biome appears to be essential for good health. There’s still a lot that’s unknown, but it seems like certain gut flora need fiber. Resistant starch has been shown to improve some conditions.

I haven’t yet figured out how to incorporate this information into my diet. I’m thinking about adding potato salad and/or beans on a limited basis.

(Rosemary Easter) #19

Fibre - is it the high carb diet's last straw? Keto bashing in the mainstream. "There goes the keto diet!", predicted the celebrity doctor
(Rosemary Easter) #20

My digestion is better with very little fibre.

(Rosemary Easter) #21

I agree and I suspect Kelloggs et al are running a bit scared with the popularity of keto and that it looks like catching on in a big way.
This article will make sure people start eating cereals again. This morning on BBC breakfast a nutritionist showed a nice bowl of that horrid brown cereal to be eaten with an apple and banana. Later on on Radio 4 Michael Mosely weighed in with his opinions too.

(Chris) #22

My digestion does not operate well at all with any amount of fiber. Removing it from my diet in ALL forms fixed this.

(Rosemary Easter) #23

I started Keto following Mark Sisson’s advice to eat a big ass salad with every meal. God, how I grew to hate them! I now have a tiny arse (I am English) salad a couple of times a week and a small bit of broccoli and perhaps some mushrooms. Digestion much, much better and no longer have to run to the loo 5 times a day. I have seen a lot of Dr. Georgia Ede’s videos and think that she is perfectly correct in her opinion of veg.

(G Whistler) #24

How much veg does Dr Ede eat/recommend?

It may be that high fibre can be unpleasant on your digestion as well as being healthy in other ways, such as those inferred by the study.

(G Whistler) #25

But does it need 30g a fibre a day, because I can’t see that. The whole premise seems reliant on fortified and industrialised food production that we never used to have, so how did we manage beore cornflakes and muesli? Veg alone wouldn’t cut it, unless you eat a metric ton of the stuff and I doubt that - assuming you grew up in a place that had that amount and variety thereof

(Karen Parrott) #26

In her talk at Low Carb USA, she says it’s person to person variation. Experiment around , if I’m remembering her talk correctly. She only was eating 5 types of vege in 2017 and by the summer of 2018 zero vegetables and all carnivore with good results

(Rosemary Easter) #27

Yes, I agree with you about the fibre. Dr. Ede I don’t think eats much veg at all but I am sure that she thinks people are different and should find their own tolerance. That is the problem with the article - it treats all people the same.

(Running from stupidity) #28

But fibre isn’t one of them.

#29

I’m very suspicious of food that comes from a factory. I don’t take any fiber supplements. But I don’t think it is hard to get 30g of fiber from whole foods. My diet is heavy in avocados, coconuts, nuts, seeds, and veggies.

Using numbers from the link below, 30g of fiber could be achieved by eating 1 avocado + 2 cups of brussel sprouts + 1 oz of chia seeds. I could easily eat this over the course of a day while maintaining a state of ketosis.

(G Whistler) #30

Avocados are about 9g fibre each. Unfortuantely they are also not cheap. YMMV.

WE can’t all eat 3 of those a day.

Other veg is about 1g an ounce, very roughly speaking. Getting 30g from leafy green veg is a tall order.

#31

Chia Seeds are 34% fiber, Dark Chocolate (70-90%) is 11% fiber, LSA mix is 98% fiber. Plenty of keto fiber options.

(G Whistler) #32

What is LSA mix?

I’m not convinced - personally - eating dark chocolate is a good idea as it does have sugar and carbs.

#33

LSA is a mix of lindseed, sunflower seeds and almond meal. Amongst other things I use it to make keto friendly crackers.

In moderation, a square or two of dark chocolate once in a while (especially 85-90%) fits well within keto’s <20g carb parameters.