Heart rate is crazy high

(Steve) #83

If you have a glass of water with a couple teaspoons (or a tablespoon) of Apple Cider Vinegar before each meal, it’ll help digestion and help with acid reflux as well. (I usually do a tablespoon and add a teaspoon each of lemon and lime juice - makes it taste better, and it’s just additional acid, so should only help).

(Jamie Holtzclaw) #84

Yes this helps, thank you for taking time to answer my question and concern. I’m wishing you the very best of luck and hope your condition only gets better from here.

(Rebecca Vaughan) #85

thanks steve, ACV helps a little but i’m also having problems with the high fats causing asthma and histamine issues so ive had to reduce them.

(Steve) #86

Sorry to hear that! I’m not sure that you have to eat a lot of fat to stay in ketosis - just that your carbs must be below 20g/day to keep yourself there (so it’s not a viable energy source for your body to switch back).
If you’re not ingesting enough fat, it’ll draw from your fat stores, but if you don’t have a lot to spare, you don’t want to get too thin. :slight_smile:
Sounds like you need to get your asthma under control first before you can consider getting yourself back into ketosis.

#87

Also, the asthma, why on earth woudl the stress give me asthma, somoene someone somewhere said keto creates some kind of temporary oxygen-deficient state, why is this? What is the mechanism of this and can that give me asthma or is it something else?

@xebex1978 I have often experienced similar symptoms, especially while starting keto. The first time, I felt like I could not breathe and my heart felt as if it were palpitating. I took a break without eating refined carbohydrates, and when I was ready to start again, I did not have the same issues. I’ve started and stopped since, and, also sticking to a slightly less restricted lower carb diet, it’s easy now to get into ketosis within a day.

You brought up stress in your earlier post. PVFM is often misdiagnosed as asthma. It is possible to have both, but even pulmonologists misdiagnose which sucks because the treatment for asthma does not work for vocal chord dysfunction. PVCM is more prevalent in women aged 10-40, those with reports of perfectionism, OCD, and anxiety disorders, associated with tightness in the neck or upper chest, difficulty inhaling rather than exhaling, and often brought on by stress.

If you think you may be experiencing this, you can try to see an ENT to get scoped. One sign that you could be experiencing PVFM is if your symptoms do not respond to an inhaler. A diagnosis in the US usually gets you in with a speech pathologist. They work on speech therapy exercises that you can do to quickly open your airway, like sniffing really hard. Breathing in through a straw or pretending you have a straw also can be helpful.

(Rebecca Vaughan) #88

thanks, Steve, unfortunately, I’m only 115 pounds, lost 10 pounds on the diet which is all I can afford to lose, so i cant really rely on fat reserves. I went off keto and the asthma lessened, I actually went back in this week and its come back, very frustrating. I read this article about how fat is a histamine releasor, i guess i don’t have enough DAO to sort out the amounts of histamine I’m taking on, i’m not prepared to cut all the high histamine foods when i can just cut the fat and eat low carb rather than eat keto.
http://alisonvickery.com.au/which-fat-is-low-histamine/

(Steve) #89

Yeah - I thought you looked quite thin from your profile pic. :slight_smile:

Sorry to hear it’s being so damn complicated. I guess you’ll just need to find the balance that works for your body. Here’s hoping it’s not too difficult to nail down!

(Rebecca Vaughan) #90

thanks steve :slight_smile:

(Lisa Stevens) #91

I had that problem when I first started and just found the answer recently. What happens is your body starts putting out more cortisol to make up for the decrease in sugar. My blood pressure rose as well. I really didn’t track how long it took to go away but I’m fine now.

(Stephanie Manino) #92

I know this is a old post but my heart rate has been out of control the last couple of days. Last night watching a movie It was 104 BPM the more I watched it the anxious I got. I literally threw myself into a panic Attack.

Trying to read up on all of this. I’m 7 days in and my HR has been sky rocketing for the last 2 days.

(Rebecca Vaughan) #93

Hi Stephanie,

It took 2 months for my high HR too go back down. It’s due to electrolyte imbalace and your body not being used to its new state, from what i’ve read this useually only last a few days to a couple of weeks for most people. What helped me was keeping my electrolytes balanced, 2 litres of water a day, with 800mg potassium citrate powder, 600mg magnesium malate, 5000mg sodium.

Rebecca

(Edith) #94

I agree with Rebecca. Make sure you are getting enough electrolytes, especially sodium. If your sodium is low, your blood volume decreases and then your heart has to work harder to get the blood to all the parts of your body.

Good luck,
Edith

(Jon) #95

I’m using a fitbit and my heart rate is up 10bpm since I started keto 7 weeks ago. I also started running and cut my pace from 10 min miles to 8:30 over 2 miles. I just don’t get it. I started taking a 1/4 tspn or two lite salt every day to combat the keto flu early on. Gonna try using Himalayan punk salt instead of lite salt. Maybe I’m getting too much potassium. I eat a small avocado every morning, several servings of hemp hearts throughout the day, lots of eggs, chia, flax, almonds, etc.

(Ron) #96

This thread might help -

(Denise Dole) #97

I am not on Keto, but have adopted a high fat low carb diet. My hunger has lessened, lost a few pounds but gained back due to this stress i’m about to explain.
My heart rate is about 111 beats per minute. I feel it, as though i’m nervous . I’m a 61 year old female with parents with cardiovascular issues at young age and I’m on statins finally got my cholesterol below 209 now this fast heart beat. I have to go for a heart ultrasound and that has me a nervous wreck. (Probably not helping the quick heart beat!)
But, my Keto point is, I began adding about 1/2 teaspoon MCT oil to my coffee. Very, very little. But I read online of some having increased heart rate from MCT oil. Are you using that?
Also I have a bladder condition called IC. My doctor told me when it’s bad to mix a teaspoon of baking soda with water and drink. I did this for a week about two weeks ago. I’ve never had a reaction before, but I learned that could have screwed my electrolytes up causing quick heartbeat. I stopped that two weeks ago so I assume any affects from that are gone. I didn’t make the MCT oil connection until last night and stopped today, but as I said I used very little. However, if anybody has a fast heart rate and is using a significant amount of MCT oil. Do some online research. I still don’t know why my heart rate is still up, so time will tell. (Heart rate is a funny thing the more you worry about it the higher it goes, so who really knows the reason!)

(Rebecca Vaughan) #98

Hi Denise,

Thanks for this info, I was using MCT oil which gave me bad reflux so I stopped, I also increased my electrolytes and the heart rate came down, not sure if reducing mct helped, but i still cant take it due to refulx. Over the last 8 months i have been in and out of keto due to various issues, finally, on my 5th attempt, I seem to have figured out how to eat to keep as many issues at bay. I can’t eat coconut oil or mct oil, nor cacao butter. A little olive oil is ok, and my main fats are butter and bacon.

My thoughts about your high HR is maybe you are in ketosis by accident and you haven’t adapted yet? Try upping your electrolytes especially salt intake and see if it goes away or at least calms down?

(Sonny) #99

Hi Rebecca,
Just adding my experience.

Was in Ketosis last month, noticed elevated heart rate, got scared and got out of Keto - heart rate went back to normal.
Tried to go back into Keto and started consuming full fat coconut milk and noticed heart rate going up. Assumed that I have Coconut allergy, stopped it, stopped trying for Keto and the heart rate went back down.
Tried MCT oil to see if it would impact heart rate. MCT put me in Keto and heart rate went up. Figured that MCT oil is from Coconuts so stopped it. Fell out of Keto. But this time I continued Low carb, High Fat. Some mornings I wake up in slight Ketosis. Heart rate is still elevated, rises after a fatty meal. Supplementing with Magnesium, Himalayan Salt and Potassium and Bone broth. Sometimes I see a difference, other times I don’t.  I am going to check on the quantity of the electrolytes.  I am scared of taking too much Potassium because I heard it can cause serious issues but I will definitely up the sodium.  I have only been taking a 1/4 teaspoon and it hasn't done the trick.
("Don't call it calories, call it food") #100

Thought I might offer my experience to others that are reading this and might have symptoms of POTS. I have had periods of POTS in the last few years, and the only option offered by doctors was beta-blockers. I declined because I didn’t want to cover up the symptoms, I wanted to get to the cause.

In my experience, I am pretty sure that my POTS was caused by an imbalance in my thyroid. An excess of RT3 can cause POTS. When I switched medications and got my thyroid into balance (which took a while) my POTS disappeared.

I know how debilitating POTS can be - if you start a keto diet and you have unresolved medical problems in your HPA axis, I would guess that there is a fair chance the syptoms of your HPA dysregulation will be exacerbated.

I have finally got all the moving parts in my system in order (I liken our bodies to a Rube Goldberg machine – if even one section is an inch off, all the balls back up and things start to collapse). As such, the keto diet seems to be working really well for me because I think I have lined up all the various sections of the contraption. Increased energy, weight loss etc. But, last time I tried, I felt horrible, ended up in hospital with acute pancreatitis and certainly didn’t lose weight.

This is not meant to discourage people from trying the diet - rather, if you start and things start to go haywire with your heart rate, your fatigue levels or stress, it may be time to stop, take a 6 month or year break from keto to try to resolve your other issues. I do realize lots of people use keto as a tool for dealing with health problems, so this might not work for everyone, but it did work for me :slight_smile:

(Rebecca Vaughan) #101

Thanks Sonny,

Yes that sounds very similar to me. My heart rate did lower eventually and on other times I tried keto it didn’t go as high as the first time i did it. I am now out of ketosis,I tried for 10 months and just couldn’t get it to work for me, the worst was upper back pain and arm weakness it gave me which meant I had to lie down all day or id be in pain with breakthlessness. I’d suggest if you want to continue, to buy some potassium citrate powder and take 2 1/4 teaspoons scoops a day in water you’ll also need to buy some celtic sea salt and take at least 4 1/4 tspns a day. I weighed out 5 grams and tried to eat it all over the day, but it was really hard to get that much salt in, when i did get all 5 grams I did feel a little better.

Generally, the keto diet is very low on potassium and you need 4000mg a day which is very hard to achieve. So an extra 600-800mg a day from potassium citrate won’t hurt. I didn’t notice much if I didn’t take my potassium though, the big thing was the sodium. I also take 600mg of magnesium malate a day.

(Sonny) #102

Thank you rebecca. I added a lot of salt to my diet and also Magnesium. I am scared about the potassium because I read that it can make your heart race. I am just adding salt to my bone broth and drinking 3 cups a day. What I have noticed over the past few days is that my HR is very high in the morning and then slowly normalizes during the day. 110 standing still when I wake up. Mid 80s in the afternoon and low to mid 70s by evening. It never used to be so high before Keto. I don’t want to quit Keto so I really need to figure this out. Hopefully someone else who has a similar experience can shed some light.

Thanks,
Sonny