Goat Milk

#1

Goat Milk with Disodium Phospahate. Is this a bad product?

(KCKO, KCFO šŸ„„) #2

I do not drink milk of any kind. I do use cream and butter from cows, anything beyond a bit of salt in the butter I stay away from. Decide for yourself about that additive.

(Bob M) #3

On the other hand, Iā€™ve tried and tried to find a detriment for me from dairyā€¦and cannot. Right now, Iā€™m drinking raw milk from Jersey cows, eating yogurt from goatā€™s milk daily, and eating some cheeses sometimes. (Iā€™m not a huge dairy eater, only because I prefer more meat than anything else.) Gotten back down the lowest weight Iā€™ve been since I tried The Croissant Diet.

I do find that high fat and I donā€™t get along. So, while Iā€™ll use butter, I use it sparingly.

Youā€™ll have to decide what you think is an appropriate amount of dairy for yourself.

#4

I find Iā€™m hungrier and eat more often now that I eat no bread, pasta, potatoes, rice, sugary foods but I do eat more fat, animal protein, plus my usual salads and steamed vegetables.

I do like the small packaged soft goat cheese I found in Aldiā€™s and Shop Rite. I donā€™t choose the one with added honey. I like whole milk yogurt and sour cream.

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #5

It helps to eat enough at each meal to satisfy our hunger. Then we can usually go several hours until weā€™re hungry again. The key is that the lowered insulin from cutting out all those carbs allows the body to metabolise the food we eat, instead of storing it as fat.

#6

Paul
I do eat most meals to satiety. Hungry within an hour or so after rising in the morning about 7am. Starving by 11am. I find myself getting hungry again around 4pm and then again at 7pm. 4 times a dayā€¦ My weight hasnā€™t increased. This after 2 and a half months on keto. Is this normal? From reading here most people arenā€™t this hungry.

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #7

Well, the not gaining weight part is a sign that your insulin is low and that you are in ketosis. Iā€™m not sure about the high appetite, though. If you really want to dig into it, weā€™d need all your information: age, sex, current weight, goal weight, daily food intake (what and how much), medications, blood work, exercise regime, etc. The more complete the information, the likelier it is that someone can spot what is going on, or at least pose questions to think about.

As for ā€œnormal,ā€ there are two types of normal: (1) how well our experience matches other peopleā€™s, and (2) what our usual pattern is. The fact that these two definitions of normal donā€™t always harmonise is a challenge. So Iā€™d say that no, most ketonians arenā€™t as hungry as you are, especially after the first month or two, but that doesnā€™t necessarily mean that you are doing keto wrong. You could simply be an outlier. And not being your physician, I canā€™t say whether your current high appetite is a sign of good health or bad.

Speaking of outliers, by the way, Dr. Shawn Baker, a physician who is a noted carnivore, eats an enormous quantity of meat each day. But I heard him say in a conversation at Ketofest a few years ago, ā€œI would never advise anyone to eat the way I do; Iā€™m a freak.ā€ He simply meant that he needs a quantity of food that is abnormal by othersā€™ standards, but for him, it is normal. Heā€™s simply an outlier.

#8

In a few weeks Iā€™ll be rechecking my a1c. Hopefully itā€™ll be in the normal range. Was 7.2 over a month ago.
Physically Iā€™m feeling much better than I did before starting keto. My shoulders hurt much less and I can sleep without much discomfort.
I no longer crave sweet drinks and pita bread (although I do miss them a little)
The reduced pain gives me a reason to continue with keto and I can even lift light weights when I choose to without fear of pain coming back. Once in awhile I do have a bad day or two but it passes, so Im encouraged to continue.
As you say what may be normal for others may not be so for me. Thank you

(B Creighton) #9

I doubt it, but I get my goat yogurt from Trader Joeā€™s. I find it reasonably priced, and very low carb with no chemical additives. It does have some tapioca starch as a thickener, which I find preferable to gums. If you have a TJs nearby, I would consider it. A quick search revealed no problems with disodium phosphate unless you consume lots of it, which may give you diahrea.

#10

Thanks for the tip. We have a Trader Joeā€™s in Brick, NJ. Never been there as I do most of my shopping in Aldi and Lidl.

I think the disodium phosphate makes this a poor choice for even such a good thing as goat milk. But what can you expect from WalMart.

I drink water and seltzer these days

(Betsy) #11

I find that your posts ring true to what I am finding for myself. Do you eat low fat meat? If you were to eat a chuck roast, would you throw away the excess fat? Cook the fat out of bacon?

#12

this is your walk toward your normalcy. You canā€™t judge yourself against otherā€™s who have alot more time on an eating plan change.
You gotta do you here.

When I came into carnivore all the zc people who were 3-6-10 or more years were eating in that 2-3 lb range of meat per day. Within a month I was ravenous! I was eating like 4lbs or more some days per day and thought omg! Why am I so hungry when everyone else was eating ā€˜more normal zcā€™ as they did?

It is your body is screaming for nutrition and telling you just that.
Just keep eating all you need til that one day, boom, you donā€™t need it. Your body is re-balancing hormones and way more for internal repair, just be sure you do give it good fat and meat protein intake. donā€™t skimp in that area :slight_smile: But one day you wake up and think, wow, I am not that hungryā€¦coolā€¦and your appetite will start to change. Just go with the flow. This is where your body stops screaming feed me more good food cause I need it to heal and repair, it changes your hunger signals to a moreā€¦ok I am a well fed, more nutritionally sound physical body, I wonā€™t ask for alot more food cause I donā€™t need it,

So eat your path as you need to eat it. You canā€™t compare against others. WE ALL walked this journey and had huge eating times and then our appetites balance out as our bodies heal and we change.

alot of us have ALOT of years eating this way and have changed ourselves with time on our healthy eating so just hold strong and keep plugginā€™ along and you will be ok!! You will default into a diff. eating pattern when the body tells ya it is time.

I think a little goat milk when ya want it is fine IF YOU do well on it.
Not like you are gonna ingest tons of this stuff :slight_smile:

#13

No Iā€™ve been eating high fat meals because I feel thatā€™s whatā€™s helped most with my shoulder pain relief. That along with cutting out all bread, rice pasta, potatoes and anything sweet. I do cook the fat out of bacon but use the fat from meats to cook in. I use only quality oils and butter.
I think I should cut down though on the high fat consumption somewhat and see what happens.
Iā€™d really like to know what unique breakfast ideas others have. Iā€™m growing tired of eggs cheese and sausage every day.

#14

Thanks Fangs.
Iā€™m waiting for the BOOM.
What you say makes a lot of sense and I plan on continuing down this path, refining as I go.
Once in awhile I do have a piece of rye toast with lox, cream cheese and onion but only a small piece of bread. I really donā€™t crave sweet drinks anymore as I used too.
Iā€™ve been getting lotsa compliments lately on how good my skin looks. Never paid much attention to such things before keto.

#15

I wasnā€™t here for a while, apparentlyā€¦

As it was said, normal is different for everyone. Itā€™s very normal for me to get hungry in 3 hours after a (for others) big meal, often 1 hour on carnivore (fortunately just occasionally). A meal fit for OMAD at the right time lasts for 20-26 hours, thatā€™s another thing :slight_smile: But OMAD is harder as I eat less carbs (itā€™s trivial if I do high-carb and wish to do OMAD, extremely hard on carnivore). Itā€™s my normal but I know most people have experiences in the opposite direction.

I can imagine many reasons for big hunger. Your body needs more at the moment (or not but is confused), you chose the/some wrong items (they may be wonderful items, even for you but they or their amount/ratio is not right according the actual wishes of your body)ā€¦ And many more, of course. Sometimes we need MANY meals to get our nutrients, I often complain about it, only happens on carnivore or close and very annoying but me and my body start to figure out how to solve thisā€¦ In my case, itā€™s usually all about food choices. And being flexible. I donā€™t have many preconceptions about how I should eat. I know a few things but I donā€™t follow even my own plans blindly if my body communicates a different need/wish.
I like having similar days but sometimes itā€™s just not realisticā€¦

#16

I need a dictionary to look up all your abbreviations Whats OMAD please?

(Eric) #17

OMAD is one meal a day.

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #18
(Betsy) #19

Oh, I was replying to ctviggen, sorry, I should have brought it up in a different thread.

(Bob M) #20

Hi Betsy, I donā€™t eat bacon (I find I can have an entire mealā€¦and still eat a pound of bacon; bacon causes me to overeat). I am more of an Atkins-style eater, so if I made a chuck roast, I would not cut away fat, though if there was fat in the pan, I would toss that (or use it for cooking). When I make ground/minced beef, I drain it.

What I normally do, though, is just eat leaner meats. So, top round instead of chuck; ham instead of pepperoni or other high fat meats; mustard instead of mayo. I generally donā€™t add a lot of fat to my meals (rarely will add butter to meat). Iā€™m still eating ā€œreal foodā€, just not concerned about hitting some type of macro for fat, and tend to choose leaner meats over fattier. Have regular yogurt instead of high fat. Donā€™t eat much cream, other than a bit in my coffee.

Iā€™m not totally anti-fat. I still eat chicken skin; will make ribeye or chuck at times; will use sour cream with my taco meat; etc. Those are just relatively infrequent. And if I make a ā€œketoā€ recipe, I usually reduce the fat, such as draining the ground/minced beef, adding less butter, etc.