General 50 calories

fasting
(Alicia Rodenhaber Crawford) #1

I have read that during either IF or EF you could use creamer or MCT oil but staying under 50 calories and not break a fast. If your doing an EF 24 or longer how often could you ingest those under 50 calories? TY

(Vladaar Malane) #2

Maybe, but I would only do it if you needed it, like that hour 18 where your feeling hunger.

I fortunately never really experience the hour 18 thing that lots of people say they feel on fasting. When I fast, I drink water lots and lots of water, and that gives me the feeling of being full.

If your fat adapted, which I highly recommend you be before fasting you wonā€™t have much hunger at all, especially if your drinking plenty of water throughout the day. I will admit I get some calories from drinking black coffee. Maybe I get close to 50 calories from black coffee. So thereā€™s that.

I havenā€™t used this, but Iā€™ve heard others say that if the hunger pains hit you brush your teeth. Who wants to eat after you just got your teeth all clean?

(Alicia Rodenhaber Crawford) #3

Thank you, I am an experience faster and ketoer, but the question was posed to me and I didnā€™t have an answer. I only sip water with acv and salt all day during a fast. So I didnā€™t know. TY for the response.

(KCKO, KCFO šŸ„„) #4

Dr. Fung says no more than 2 teaspoons of hwc. Use only if you really need it.

I have noticed more and more websites and youtube videos saying things like ā€œup to 500 caloriesā€ while fasting, WTF???

I use bone broth sometimes, usually to be social at meal time with DH, I add the teaspoon of hwc to coffee, and that is it when fasting. I used to use the 50 cals. but that didnā€™t work out well for me, I would do a tiny amount of nuts to keep going.

Now if I am fasting and feel like I need to eat, I just eat a regular meal, then start fasting after that meal, going as long as I can. My extended fasts are in the 80-95 hrs. range. I sometimes do break halfway through and then dive back in to get to the 95 hr. mark.

I think any length of fasting is good for us, water fasting is best, then coffee/broth/hwc supplemented, they are all good.

(Dan Dan) #5

And the answer isā€¦ YMMV :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

For the purpose of IF/EF for Ketosis and Autophagy anything that is insulinogenic or that disrupts or stops Ketosis and/or Autophagy and itā€™s different for everybody.

Dr. Jason Fung What Breaks A Fast?

Dr. Jason Fung on Autophagy

What Can I Put in Coffee When Intermittent Fasting -We Ran The Tests

I enjoy sharing my thoughts and experiments if you get something out of it ok if not thatā€™s ok too :grinning:

Please remember YMMV :thinking:

ā€œMay the Force (fat adaption) be with youā€

IF/EF Keto WOE is Self-Discovery :wink:

Good luck and much success in your journey in IF/EF Keto WOE :grin:

(Running from stupidity) #6

Itā€™s quite amazing how that magic number is a nice round one like 50, I must say.

(Mike W.) #7

Like throwing a dart at a chart.

(Running from stupidity) #8

While blindfolded. And drunk. Then claiming the result is the one true answer.

(Mike W.) #9

Exactly

(Alicia Rodenhaber Crawford) #10

Thank you so very much for the links. I have viewed them all previously and both sources are great info. I recently watched the my2docs testing on sugars/artificial sweeteners.

(Alicia Rodenhaber Crawford) #11

Thank you everyone for your input.

(Vladaar Malane) #12

For the non-millennial what does that mean?

(Running from stupidity) #13

Your Mileage May Vary

#nonmillenial

(KCKO, KCFO šŸ„„) #14

That is a REALLY old one, I donā€™t think the millies even use it. I see Juice has provided the translation for you.

(Dan Dan) #15

@collaroygal @juice @Vladaar_Malane

I actually learned it from here took me several months to figure out most of the abbreviations still some I donā€™t know. :face_with_monocle::thinking::stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

(Doug) #16

Iā€™m really quite secular all the way, but it always reminds me of the Hebrew name for God, i.e. YHWH.

(Vladaar Malane) #17

Yeah, I know there is google for these things, but posts are much easier to read if for abbreviations, the first time they are spelled out. Iā€™m not sure on all the text message abbreviations, I know people use them because they donā€™t want to type it out. I never got into all that texting. Guess Iā€™ll figure them out as they come.

#18

ā€œYeah, I know there is google for these things, but posts are much easier to read if for abbreviations, the first time they are spelled outā€
I agree.

(Carl Keller) #19

I think thatā€™s metric caloriesā€¦ aka 69 imperial calories. :stuck_out_tongue:

(Justin Jordan) #20

Krista Varady used 500 calories when she was studying alternate day fasting (or ā€˜fastingā€™) and it worked well in that people lost weight and didnā€™t lose muscle mass, and didnā€™t seem to have metabolic slowdown.

So itā€™d depend on the goal. If youā€™re just in it for weight loss, itā€™s probably fine. Insulin control and autophagy? Probably not.