Fruit=hungry and tired: how to get health benefits of fruit but not eat it

(Empress of the Unexpected) #37

I’m avoiding fruit to lower my triglycerides.

(Lonnie Hedley) #38

Of which, blackberries have the lowest carb count so if I splurge on a berry, it’s gotta be black. :grin:

(karen) #39

Part of the issue is that ketosis changes your body chemistry. I have heard it said that BHB (a ketone, for all intents and purposes) is a powerful antioxidant that can mitigate or even eliminate the need for the antioxidants we might ordinarily get from plant sources including fruit. The thing is, as far as I know no one has truly studied the micronutrient needs of people who are fat adapted / in ketosis / ‘whole-animal’ eaters. So when we follow the RDA guidelines (which seem to be wrong half the time anyway), it doesn’t necessarily address our needs as ketoans at all.

Edited: thank you, @PaulL, who pointed out below that bhb isn’t actually an antioxidant, but has a positive effect on the body’s own anti-oxidant capacity.

(Bacon is a many-splendoured thing) #40

Forgive me, Karen, you’re close but not quite on the money. What β-hydroxybutyrate does is to turn off genes that silence the body’s inbuilt anti-oxidant defenses, genes that are turned on in the presence of a high level of insulin, which makes the consumption of anti-oxidants such as Vitamin C necessary. So it’s not an anti-oxidant itself, but is rather a hormone that manipulates genes to turn on the body’s inbuilt anti-oxidation mechanisms. This is why Dread hasn’t come down with scurvy, despite the fact that by eating zc/carnivore he is consuming no Vitamin C; his body can deal with the reactive oxygen species it produces without exogenous help.

(karen) #41

Thanks. I knew that the upshot was a positive effect on oxidative stress, just got my science a little backward. :blush:

(Bunny) #42

“…Naturally occurring vitamin C is the same molecule as synthetic ascorbic acid. But in food, ascorbic acid is found within the vitamin C complex among other compounds. The ascorbic acid in supplements is often derived from corn starch, corn sugar, or rice starch, and is chemically dependent upon volatile acids[1] …” …More

Footnotes:

[1] “…Volatile Acidity (VA) Volatile acidity is often abbreviated to VA and refered to as “Vee Ay”. Volatile acidity, as the name suggests, refers to the organic acids found in grape juice, musts and wine that are more volatile or more easily vaporized than the non-volatile or fixed acids (malic and tartaric acid). …” …More

[2] Tip: Eat “Gross” Organ Meats (ofal) like Liver: This can be eaten raw or cooked and can be prepared in a variety of ways: jerky, part of a pate, or ground up with other meat in burgers or meatballs. Liver is also a good source of vitamin A, all of the B vitamins, vitamin C, iron, phosphorous, selenium, copper, manganese, and zinc. …More

Raw (glandulars) is better?

(Lonnie Hedley) #43

Were you asking me questions somewhere in your post? To be honest, I’m sure your posts are full of great information, but when I see them I just scroll right on by because on the outset they appear extremely convoluted.

No offense intended, just stating if there was a question in there, I didn’t see one. If it was information, then I’m not sure why you mentioned me since I didn’t ask where to get vitamin C.

#44

No, it doesn’t. Where are you getting that your body needs fruit to be healthy?

(Bunny) #45

In the matter of what is or is not “extremely convoluted.“ I think you answered your own question (below) and is more of a matter of what you consider “extremely” comprehensive? I am sure you will “scroll right on by” this response also?

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(Lonnie Hedley) #46

Huh? Do you quote things just to quote them?

(Bunny) #47

When a severe or “extreme convolution” is involved then I would say “yes!”

(Lonnie Hedley) #48

You’re clearly WAY smarter than me, because I see a lot of words but don’t understand what you’re trying to say. I’ll VITAMIN C my way out now.

Adequate fiber is a real problem
Adequate fiber is a real problem
(Bunny) #49

Very wise (ingenious) decision!

(Leigh Thomas) #50

If someone is out to lose weight then fruit should generally be avoided.

(Ron) #51

OK. But remember that everyone is a snowflake and a blanket statement might not hold true.
ex: I have been keto for 8 months and have a little fruit 4 or 5 times a week. I have went from 287 lbs to 205 lbs in that time frame.:astonished::slightly_smiling_face:

(Bacon is a many-splendoured thing) #52

Remember, my child, that you are unique, just like everyone else! :rofl: :grinning:

(Wendy) #53

Strawberries and raspberries are fine too. I eat them with full fat Greek yogurt most days since I started. Everyone has to see what they can handle though.

#54

The day before yesterday I cheated and ate a peach. It was 20g of carbs so I avoided eating vegetables for the day. It was fine, it didn’t throw me out of keto or make me gain weight. I had been thinking of that peach with lust for a looooong time. Now I’m at peace because it didn’t taste so extraordinary after all.

(KetoQ) #55

I admit, I do like my fruit, especially this time of year. I have a medium-sized peach 2-3x week with cottage cheese, hopefully, the cc blunts the blood sugar spike a bit. I occasionally take an apple with me on a long bike ride, and work the glycogen right off.

I’ve been pretty good about blueberries this summer until the last week, but I’ll get over it. They aren’t in season for much longer. Same goes with strawberries. My favorite is watermelon, and I haven’t had it at all as it is a very high glycemic fruit. Same goes with bananas, I haven’t had one since May.

Fruit has been my cheat food this summer, as I haven’t got into anything like fries, chips, pizza, cake, pie and alcohol. So I consider that a victory.

#56

Yes it’s called Paleo!