Fructose: how much if any?

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(Karim Wassef) #41

I haven’t really considered it yet. I’m aware of the science but I have yet to get to the level in my lifting where I feel I need to go to the extreme of “juicing” up on glucose and fructose to get more out of my lifts.

You’re in a lower bf range than I am. Have you looked into doing it for yourself? I don’t see it as food… it’s more of an enhancement chemical mix.


(Chris) #42

Yes I have, there’s a few ways I think are “best” in which to accomplish it.

  1. 2 tbsp raw honey. Honey is 1:1 f:g so you’d get approximately 17g of each.

  2. Apple juice and Smarties candy. Apple juice is one of the few non HFCS fruit juices, half a cup is enough. And Smarties are all dextrose, which is glucose. Use 3 tubes of them for 18g glucose.

I’m hitting a flea market this Saturday that has raw honey, I’m going to pick some up.


(Karim Wassef) #43

I like the idea of honey as a non-plant based carb source!!! Should have known you’d find a way to turn it into an animal product.


(Chris) #44

I’d call it “carnivore-adjacent” lol. It’s the closest thing I can think of to a decent non-dairy animal carb!


(mole person) #45

At first I thought you were crazy but then I realized it was a regional difference. Smarties here (Canada) are candy coated milk chocolate pieces. What you call Smarties we call Rockets. And you’re right, it’s all dextrose! What a discovery!


(Chris) #46

Cheap, too. I paid $2.49 US per pound I believe.


(mole person) #47

Yup, the cheapo Halloween candy. They are yummy though. Curious though, you still find adding glucose significantly helps your workouts?


(Chris) #48

The jury is still out, I haven’t done much experimenting just yet. Though, when I get my honey I plan to put this to the test. Probably will just have the two tablespoons pre-workout and see what happens.

When I have experimented, though I haven’t tested my blood, I’m burping ketones again by the time the workout concludes.


(Karim Wassef) #49

If you do the honey, track your glucose and ketone before during and after. It would be very interesting to characterize both the hormonal effects (indirectly) and your progressive overload improvements (or workload depending on how you measure your progress).

Data!!!


(Chris) #50

…that would mean I’d have to buy a meter.


(Karim Wassef) #52

No. Glucose is an energy source, but we can maintain very high levels of fatty acid and ketones in the blood with no ill effects. Glucose, on the other hand, is highly oxidative and causes nerve damage. It must be sequestered. Insulin is defensive against damage that is just about non reversible.

diabetic neuropathy: https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/diabetic-neuropathy/symptoms-causes/syc-20371580

The digestive system is a primary defensive organ. The body prioritizes digestion based on danger… first alcohol, then glucose, then protein, then fat.

The body regulates glucose but only needs to keep it at ~50 for those cells that don’t have mitochondria and need to use glucose only… red blood cells, some parts of the brain, etc…


(Karim Wassef) #53

Dude. It’s $100…

I measure so I can figure out what my body is really doing. When I fast and feast, or when I lift and sauna… I know how it’s cycling.

On my 19 day fast, I hit a glucose low of 36 and a ketone high of 9.3… it was awesome.


(Karim Wassef) #54

Do you have more on this?


(Chris) #55

Yeah I don’t see the point for myself. Rather spend that on steak.


(Carissa JB) #56

No fructose!


(Karim Wassef) #58

No.

Ketoacidosis is a failure of metabolic processes and a serious complication of diabetes where high glucose and high insulin result is an acidification of the blood…

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/diabetic-ketoacidosis/symptoms-causes/syc-20371551

Ketones are not the problem… Glucose is.

I’ve fasted for weeks and reached glucose levels under 40 and ketone levels over 9 with no negative side effects. I get tested so I know my own n=1 and it aligns directly with the research.


(Karim Wassef) #60

Please do more research.

Your assertions here are not evidence based. If you believe Ancel Keys, that’s your choice.

There are plenty of people who are dying based on misinformation and ignorance of the facts.

Please help be part of the solution, not propagating misinformation.

:wink:


(Karim Wassef) #62

Let’s look at the toxicity of insulin - insulin is in response to glucose

https://idmprogram.com/insulin-toxicity-t2d-37/

and toxicity of glucose directly

Glucose = oxidative stress = damage

and oxidative stress causes mitochondrial damage

https://www.fasebj.org/doi/abs/10.1096/fj.01-1027com

This is old science…


(Karim Wassef) #63

To be clear, there are cells that need glucose and the liver provides very controlled quantities to support their function. It’s a chemical that the body carefully controls to minimize oxidative damage.

Both high glucose and high insulin are destructive to blood vessels and organs.

HOW HIGH BLOOD SUGARS DAMAGE BLOOD VESSELS:


(Karim Wassef) #64

Fructose is a problem - no question

Glucose is also a problem …