Food is disgusting

(Todd Allen) #1

My satiety signaling is somewhat broken. Many here lose weight eating as much bacon, ribeye and peanut butter as they want but I find it easy to over eat foods I like.

In my local pan asian market I found quite the variety of food that doesn’t agree with my sensibilities. Creepy seafood, natto, kimchi, … It was kind of expensive but a little goes a long way. It’s day 1 of my new food adventure and I’m not hungry yet and I wonder if I’ll ever become hungry enough to eat some of it.

Before my tastes adapt and I find myself binging again I thought I’d throw out a request to hear from everyone else a list of their least appetizing foods impossible to over eat.

(Leslie) #2

Are you continuing to eat even when you feel full?
If you are saying that you don’t get to the point of satiety, I recommend that you eat more fat.
Some of my favorites are; coconut butter, kerigold butter, avocados and eggs.
Most of us in keto will tell the average person to eat more fat until they are satiated.

I hope you find this helpful
Keep calm and keto on

(Chris) #3

My dude Frankie T has a bunch of videos that mention food palateability and its effect on hunger signals. Fascinating stuff. He’s zero carb and practices extended fasting like I do, but eats better quality stuff and more variety than me.

Channel (multiple videos mention it, but maybe not in the titles): https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCIEiE-hnAUXUZNNeMJsZBYA

Video specifically on it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEwEep_F2Wk

#4
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Actually I think you are doing it wrong.

I give my 1cent worth of idea: Try to find the foods that

  1. you like, yet
  2. gives FEW carbs per 100gram/serving, whichever is more.

For example, meat, cheese, butter, bacon(All of them give less than 1 gram per 100gram of food, or so I think.)

Seemingly you like bacon. I would assume that one needs to eat about 3~4kg per day to exceed the carb… Don’t worry about overeating: just overeat the correct food till you are happy.

Of course, that’s assuming that you need that kind of extremeness.

About peanut butter, I do know some brands that have about 5~7 grams of carbs PER 100 grams, so as long as you didn’t finish one container(340g - 510g) in one go, it is UNLIKELY to go beyond carb limit. Actually, even if you finished, you just exceeded slightly bit, which might be fine(?) in your case.

(Olivia) #5

For me, it’s liver (pure) . I sort of like and dislike the stuff and I really can’t go beyond satietation without feeling sick.

(Allan L) #6

I’m with you on this one! My satiety signalling is well and truly broken. I have to guess when to stop eating because I usually only feel full around 2 hrs later. Some days I can eat 4k+++ calories (all keto, 80+++% fat) and still want some nut butter before bed!

For me ADF really helps. Not eating is easier than restricting my eating so if I fast every other day I spread my binge across 2 days rather than 1 and after a few weeks my stomach finally starts giving me satiety signals to stop eating. Keeping variety in my diet helps too. I tried zero carb and whilst I felt healthier I ate more and more due to the lack of variety.

Splitting a meal into 2 plates also helps. Eat half now and half 3 hrs later and I feel much fuller than eating it in 1 go.

But 1 cheat meal, or overindulgent meal, will set me back weeks.

(Jay AM) #7

I was a vegan for a while and I always find stuff in my food. If there is a bone shard, vein, or anything else eeky, I’ll find it. Seafood is top of my list. Fish scare me and the idea of eating them is nope! I also don’t really like asparagus or celery. I haven’t eaten anything on purpose with a bone in it forever. At least 12 years. When I was about 19, I cooked my boyfriend at the time an entire chicken using a pair of tongs and a fork because I couldn’t get over the idea of touching it.

(Todd Allen) #8

Not chronically, but often enough that I’m slowly gaining weight when I’m not making an effort to lose weight with fasting.

I might begin a meal quite hungry and eat what I thought was an appropriate sized portion quickly. I’m still feeling hungry and go back for seconds. Or thirds. Sometimes I come to think the unpleasant sensation in my gut is no longer hunger but rather being overfull and I stop eating. And a half an hour later it’s obvious I seriously over ate again and wishing I hadn’t.

I’m aware of my issues and trying various strategies like limited eating windows and eating slower. They help, but they aren’t habitual.

Eating more fat worked well for my first year of keto, but since I’ve managed to get about 20 lbs under my plateau weight with periodic fasting that trick has stopped working for me.

(Todd Allen) #9

His observations in that video ring true for me. I can undermine my efforts to lose weight by making food too tasty. I’ve found that if I sous vide meat and then give it a quick fry in added fat, salt and spices I eat more than if I go straight from the sous vide to my plate.

(Todd Allen) #10

Yes. That’s what I’m looking for, healthy foods I won’t over eat. Liver used to be that way for me. I ate it because it was cheap and healthy but I was somewhat put off by it. But now I like it. A few days ago I ate enough to turn my pee bright yellow/green as if I had been taking high dose vitamins…

(Todd Allen) #11

That is me. I can stay hungry far too long, completely skip satiety and jump straight to nauseated.

(Todd Allen) #12

I skipped breakfast and lunch and then went with my most appealing option a whole fish. It was gutted but still had all of its fins and bright shiny eyes. After baking the eyes were mostly gone which helped a little. It was actually quite tasty other than lots of very thin bones embedded in the flesh. I stopped eating before I was completely full and gave the tail and fins to my dog and the head to my chickens.

(Liz ) #13

This is just so clever! You are funny too :rofl: It never occurred to me to try to thwart my binging with less appetizing choices, but now my head is spinning with ideas!! I can eat a whole package of precooked bacon but I am not a huge fan of mayonnaise, so what if I dipped my bacon in mayo?? Totally keto and would probably slow me right the heck down.

(Leslie) #14

O was listening to an episode of The Obesity Code yesterday and one of the things they discussed was fasting techniques and breaking through plateaus.
Have you been listening to the podcast?
I find them very helpful when it comes to personal experiences of individuals who have hacked their stalls.
I don’t have the problems you are struggling with right now, so that’s my advice.
Also, is it possible that your binge eating is something of an emotional issue with which you might benefit from some therapy? That I do have a lot of experience in

KCKO

(Todd Allen) #15

I’ve listened to a huge number of podcasts including the obesity code though I’m now starting to find them repetitive and have switched mostly to reading for new ideas. The podcasts were helpful for getting from morbidly obese to normal body weight. Straight keto got me pretty far. I’ve been trialing many variations on fasting and managed to make more progress towards my goal. But I’m now in somewhat uncharted waters. I’ve eliminated most of my visceral fat and adipose tissue but still have far too much fat. Dexa scans show my muscles are choked with fat. I have a muscle wasting disease which adds to the challenge of burning through it. I am making progress but it is slow and every mistake is two steps backwards.

(Leslie) #16

Those are definitely some serious challenges. I guess if I were you, I would just keep on keeping on. It’s not as though there is another, more beneficial, WOE.
I take it that since you have a wasting disease, you are under the care of a physician. How are your hormone levels?
Have you done any research on leptin or other hormones regulating hunger?
Learning which foods are more likely to stimulate your brain to produce the hormones to make you feel full might be helpful.
I’m just throwing stuff out there
I hope this is helpful

KCKO

(Todd Allen) #17

For 25 years I was seeing the head of neurology at the university of Chicago. But my disease is considered untreatable. Instead of attempting to treat the disease doctors monitor it and treat some symptoms. Part of the problem is they believe my disease is a neurological disease but it is more a metabolic disease like diabetes that causes neuropathy and muscle wasting as opposed to a disease caused by neuropathy or muscle wasting.

After a couple years of effort currently my thyroid levels are normal. Insulin is super low. Cortisol is low. Norepinephrine, testosterone, GH and IGF1 are all very high. I haven’t had it measured but I expect leptin is low and I probably have some degree of leptin resistance as it often happens with insulin resistance and I probably had a very high degree of insulin resistance when my liver was fatty and my adipose was hypertrophic.

(Leslie) #18

These are some serious challenges. I hope you will stay the course and keep coming to the forum for support.
In your original post you asked for disgusting food choices. I cannot help you with that, I love everything.
Maybe just try to keep your seconds or thirds to fat.

(Todd Allen) #19

I’ve gained weight over a period of weeks having Kerrygold butter for dessert. Ending a meal with coconut oil in tea can be helpful although just a cup of tea without fat sometimes works too.

#20

Instead of opting for “ICKY” food options, have you tried just putting off that second/third serving for say 30 minutes?..
So not telling yourself not to eat it… Just saying… " I can have seconds/thirds if I want… but im gonna wait a lil bit before I do"

This might allow your saity signals to kick in before you have the extra portions… instead of after youve already had to much.

Life to short to eat yucky food :stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes: