I keep noticing people trying to hold on to their non-keto lives.
Focus on the big picture
I think this post is generally good and the ābig pictureā should be focused on a bit more than it sometimes does.
But, I would move away from the term āzero carbā as this, to some people, means Carnivore.
I think the best treatment of carbs is often (or used to be often) mentioned on the 2KD podcast.
That is that carbs should be āincidentalā carbs - that come along in some whole foods, like broccoli (not processed foods, shakes, bars etc.).
That is much better than letting people who have dieted most of their lives have a 20 gram ānetā carb āallowanceā - which with enough creativity and label games can actually hinder all sorts of what would otherwise be great progress.
@ArtMeursault With all due respect, neither I (nor my dog) knows that keto works best with intermittent fasting. Might it depend upon what one is trying to accomplish through a ketogenic diet? But Iām always willing to learn. Can you please point me to any studies youāve come across that demonstrate that keto works best with IF? Thank you in advance.
I understand the point. I honestly am on day 13 of keto, but 7 days of strict ketogenic diet using carb manager app. And yes, 0 carbs when I enter my foods and exercise at the end of the day is nice.
ābut day 7 strict ketogenic diet using carb managerā(edited part, oops).
Fasting is not required with a ketogenic diet. In fact, a ketogenic diet mimics fasting in key ways.
While itās not required, it does happen spontaneously for a lot of people. Anyone who wants to try it can look through the fasting forum for info and experience in that regard. It does sound a bit daunting to some people before they are adapted and donāt have reduced appetite yet. All this being in the context of keto for weight loss and/or metabolic health.
But in general, weāve all be sold a load of BS when it comes to eating every 3 hours to maintain blood sugar.
@ArtMeursault Thanks for your reply. A brief response:
1 - Hopefully we share the belief that commonsense does not equal science.
2 - Yes, we get Google where we live. I dare say, itās brimming with facts
Wishing you all the best.
Agree with much of the message, though the tone of delivery could use some polishing.
Fasting is not required, but makes things work much better, even if that is just the 5-hour periods between meals where you donāt snack.
Striving for zero carbs is not required, but sticking to just the very low carb greens and vegetables as your only source of carbs makes a huge difference for me. When I just eat salads, broccoli, asparagus, avocados, etc as my source of 20g of carbs, everything works great.
When I try to add in things where I have to read a label to determine the total or net carbs is when I tend to stall out - or where I eat nuts as a snack rather than as a measured ingredient with something else.
I have not found daily intermittent fasting (i.e. time-restricted eating) to be mandatory. Though my work week usually results in me eating only breakfast and dinner and skipping lunch, so I get a mini-fast during most of the work day.
I wrote ānot requiredā because it is entirely possible to achieve any of the goals of eating a well-formulated ketogenic diet without fasting. I donāt want newcomers to get the impression that if they are not fasting, they are ādoing keto wrong.ā
Furthermore, what constitutes ābetterā is highly context-dependent, and people adopt this way of eating for a variety of reasons. Someone on a ketogenic diet for specific health conditions might in fact be better served by not fasting, whereas someone with different goals might find fasting to be extremely helpful.
In general, it is self-evident that categorical statements, while highly satisfying to make, run the risk of falling afoul of edge cases. Since edge cases tend to be serious, where human health is concerned, I would urge a bit of caution here, thatās all.
Youāre right. I have a dozen fat friends and relatives that are dying. Buried one less than a month ago. 3 this year. And I look around here and see people trying how to figure out how to not do KETO while feigning an interest. I am frustrated.
Itās so damn easy when you stay focused on the major points and like any evangelist that just found their new messiah I want to spread the good news.
The sad thing is - Iām late to the game, 99% arenāt even playing and like most things in life - weāre on our own.
Did any of you guys ever write a top 10 essential rules of KETO? Because Iād just like to share that and be done with it. Iām late for lunch now.
And an equal amount of BS.
The challenge today is not getting access to knowledge, itās filtering it, filtering the noise.
With regards to āfastingā of the āintermittentā type. Many/most people used to do it all the time. Only it was called not eating between supper and breakfast which, depending on timing, could be anywhere from 10-12 hours daily. It was considered normal. When I was a child* being allowed a glass of milk and a cookie before bed was a treat, not a common occurrence. As late as the 60s, the Roman Catholic Church required a minimum of 12 hours fast prior to communion. So intermittent fasting is not some exotic behaviour invented by Jason Fung. It was the common eating pattern until fairly recent time when eating 24/7 gained vogue.
*The 1950s, not the Paleolithic.
Humans and their ancestors have been fasting for millions of years. It is normal to go days without food. It is abnormal to have 24 hour fast food and grocery chains every few miles.
Even that is very recent, within my adult memory. Used to be there were very few places to eat open after midnight. Typically coffee-shops with breakfast type foods - meaning eggs, bacon, toast, waffles.
Even the grand-daddy to the modern convenience store chains, 7-11, was so named because it was open from 7am to 11pm. Not all night long.
I remember when some grocery stores started staying open later, since someone was going to be working in there stocking groceries anyway. And you still had to go find someone to check you out.
TV stations would go off-air at midnight, or earlier, and would play the national anthem. And about 6am they would power back on with their test pattern for about 30 minutes.
Until the advent of cable TV, pretty much your only late-night entertainment was radio, and then only a few stations.
24x7 everything world is a very recent innovation.
Thereās that mean spirited sarcasm with which you love to spice up your posts
You do realize there are other search engines; do they have those āwhere you liveā -on Samoa-?
I havenāt used Google since 2008.
Samoa has a massive degree of obesity in the population, very high percentage.
So since our Art has such an inordinate amount of dead and dying obese friends I surmised he lives there.