Feeling "high" with high readings?

[atomicspacebunny]

Around 1.5 – 3 mmol/L is what’s called optimal ketosis and is recommended for maximum weight loss.

[Zimon]

Higher values can also sometimes mean that you’re not getting enough food

This sounds to me that you can have high readings in a fast. After fasting 48h, my ketone readings were 6.7 (blood glucose 72). No way I was still burning dietary fat at this point. It might be not the optimal zone but I don’t think one can say that high ketone readings mean that you took too much MCT or whatever. N=1, though.

[DiMo]

This sounds to me that you can have high readings in a fast. After fasting 48h, my ketone readings were 6.7 (blood glucose 72). No way I was still burning dietary fat at this point. It might be not the optimal zone but I don’t think one can say that high ketone readings mean that you took too much MCT or whatever. N=1, though.

That’s what I took away from this. You have to take your context into account when considering your readings. The highest my ketone readings ever reached was 6.2 on a 6 day fast. Alternatively, my ketones can go higher (say 2.0) after a day when I have eaten bacon and scrambled eggs with extra yolks but almost no carbs.

[atomicspacebunny]

Unless you’ve made a specific topic sharing your science on high ketones meaning that one isn’t burning body fat, then the search function isn’t a solution here.

But, someone fasting can have quite high ketone levels at random and, in the absence of coconut oil due to fasting, they are definitely burning body fat.

You become evasive or share none and then pull out your “trust me I know what I’m talking about” schtick.

Some more “Schtick” for your reading pleasure:

References:

1. Being Fat Adapted Versus "In Ketosis"

2. Ketogenesis, Measuring Ketones, and Burning Fat vs Being in Ketosis

3. Does being in ketosis automatically translate to fat loss? NO - Dr. Peter Attia

[Zimon]

Higher values can also sometimes mean that you’re not getting enough food.

@atomicspacebunny: Could you adress this point? This seems to fly in the face of a general statement contending that high(er) blood ketones are associated with dietary fat. I get your point: Ketones and weight loss aren’t related in a linear fashion. But the opposite isn’t true either.

[atomicspacebunny]

…ibid

[Zimon]

My point is that your first statement sounded like “high ketone readings = dietary fat, not body fat burning”. I agree with the fact that high ketone readings don’t tell you anything about the source of the fat being burned. But I would maintain that your first statement regarding the OP is a bit misleading in that it suggests a definite answer purely on the basis of a ketone reading of 2,9. If you didn’t mean that, it’s fine. Just want to clarify.

Your burning coconut oil (dietary fat) not body fat!

[atomicspacebunny]

Fasting and baseline high ketone readings (fluctuate eradicately from high to low within seconds[2]) from fasting extensively or intermittently will still result in half of the weight loss being water weight not actual adipose tissue loss (WAT/VAT) or shrinkage. So it may appear like “…hey, I lost all this weight from fasting extensively (EF), I think I’ll do it again?” The reality is, your probably going around in circles playing rewind with the metabolism if you cannot maintain a steady weight loss balance LONG-TERM[1]?

How many times I eat a day is the deciding factor (maintenance) in this, not how long long or extensively I fast for other reasons than weight loss! In my case I eat once a day if I am not physically active and being sedentary[1]!

When you are in KETOSIS you are already in a fasted state, EF only amplifies the benefits of autophagy, too much autophagy long-term will have dangerous consequences and the opposite effect of why your doing it?

Footnotes:

[1]“…But evidence shows that people who lose weight gradually and steadily (about 1 to 2 pounds per week) are more successful at keeping weight off. Healthy weight loss isn’t just about a “diet” or “program”. It’s about an ongoing lifestyle that includes long-term changes in daily eating and exercise habits.” - CDC

[2] …e.g. or simply moving, walking a lot or lifting something heavy, pump some iron then go back and check your blood ketone levels, they will drop like a rock (glycogen stores being depleted from skeletal muscle tissue and converted into glucose) and with a hiking peak in glucose numbers.

[Zimon]

Got it! Then, at least with me, there is no disagreement here!