Early days keto whilst also repairing liver damage

(Matt) #1

What are your thoughts on Keto diet and also repairing liver damage - from the best part of moderate (5-10 bottles) to high (10-20 beer bottles) boozing every single night for the last 20 years (yes I know my classification of moderate and high are not normal - Im working on the problem).

Two things that seem to conflict to repair liver avoid salt and avoid fats, however my understanding is that Keto is essentially repairing the liver too. So is my understand that the liver advice stuff probably based on an excess of salt from processed meals, and bad fats. Other than a salts and fats, and a few recommended fruits based on their nutrients which I can find elsewhere easy enough, 80% of the lists 10/15/20 foods to repair your liver etcā€¦ could be just renamed 10/15/20 foods compatible with ketos.

Can someone kindly confirm my thought train and any other thoughts? Supplements?

Obviously Iā€™m cutting out the boozing

Thanks

(Marianne) #2

In my opinion, just cutting out the booze and following a reasonable keto way of eating will do the trick nicely. Keep the carbs under 20g/day and eat as cleanly as possible - that means foods in their natural state - beef, pork, chicken, sausage, fish, butter, bacon, heavy cream, cheese, olive oil, coconut oil, pickles, olives, some mayo, low carb veggies, etc. Our meals basically consist of a pan seared or grilled piece of meat and a steamed vegetable(s) with bacon grease and/or butter. Never tire of it and have never felt better in my life.

Best to you.

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #3

Salt and fat intake are not the problem. Fatty liver disease, which is the precursor to steatohepatitis, cirrhosis, and eventually liver failure, is caused by too much alcohol or by too much sugar. Table sugar, sucrose, is a molecule that combines a glucose molecule and a fructose molecule. Every cell in your body can handle glucose, but ethyl alcohol and fructose are metabolised by the same chemical pathway in the liver. Fatty liver disease is the result of overloading this metabolic pathway. It is possible to overload this pathway with too much of either substance, and even easier to overload it when we ingest both. Fortunately, cutting out ethanol and fructose from the diet results in an almost immediate improvement in fatty liver.

(PJ) #4

Liposomal ascorbic (vitamin C)
Phospholipid Silymarin (european milk thistle)
Sunflower lecithin (tastes vile but you can put the powdered form of it ā€˜inā€™ things)
pubmed will support all those
Keep a slice of fresh lemon in your water
This is from elsewhere I donā€™t think thereā€™s science on it, might be wrong but I think itā€™s worthy

The liver will heal if you feed it ā€œliver food and repair juiceā€ as my body in dreams ā€“ twice ā€“ called my homemade microemulsified C, which is lecithin+ascorbic. And silymarin has the best research base for genuine liver healing of any substance.

(Michael - When reality fails to meet expectations, the problem is not reality.) #5

@Matt38asia Congratulations still being alive! A lot of folks who made your mistake are no more or are in such bad shape they wonā€™t be much longer. So be grateful you still have a chance to fix the damage. I agree that the first thing you need to do is stop the ethanol - stop it 100%. You also need to stop the fructose 100%. As @PaulL mentions above, fructose uses the same metabolic pathway as ethanol and does the same damage. You will probably find this difficult for a while and if you need one-on-one support and help find the nearest AA group and join it.

Keto will help and is probably the only way of eating that can help. Just make sure to stay away from the booze and avoid foods with fructose (Iā€™m talking fruit here). Avoid all processed foods that contain HFCS. You made a good decision to participate in this forum and you will get lots of good advice and suggestions. Best wishes.