Dr Ken on AHA statement… are the cracks starting to appear?


(Alec) #1

(John) #2

:joy::joy::joy: Some chance!! Since when have these scientific boffins, or big pharma for that matter, ever admitted to having been wrong.


#3

yea I do believe the big guns are doing just what he said…very slowly and very methodically saying ‘very low carb’ is the best path forward but like Dr Ken says, they can’t say they were wrong, they can’t admit too much too fast :slight_smile: They have to save face point blank and save some control to the ongoing ‘information’ status ya know but I do think the big guns have to start to change a bit. They have no choice, the tide is flowing this way with or without them :slight_smile:

I did forget about those little red heart checks on products LOL

I gotta say I like Dr. Ken, he just spits it out there and lets chips fall where they may :slight_smile:

I thought Keto would kill ya :clown_face::clown_face:


(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #4

The American Heart Association is in an interesting bind.

As Nina Teicholz describes in her book, The Big Fat Surprise, it was Crisco Oil that put the AHA “on the map” with a large donation in 1948, and the organisation has felt it necessary to tout the virtues of industrial seed oils ever since.

Although the Diet Committee of the AHA originally resisted the diet-heart hypothesis, once Ancel Keys and a couple of his friends joined the committee in 1960 (I believe), the committee did a complete reversal and enthusiastically endorsed the so-called “prudent diet” of less fat and more carbohydrate.

So by admitting they were wrong about a low-fat, high-carb diet rich in seed oils, the AHA would not only be biting the hand that feeds them (take a look at their list of corporate sponsors, eh?), but also admitting that one of their most prominent members committed scientific fraud by advocating the “prudent diet” on the basis of data that he had manipulated.

While I doubt the U.S. courts would ever let any malpractice suits against the AHA succeed, I imagine it is the thought of even simply the filing of such lawsuits that must strike fear into the hearts of the officers of the organisation.


(Marianne) #5

Step in the right direction, but how well is this information publicized and distributed? I also noticed that there was no mention of HF/LC. That’s probably a verry long time away.

Does anyone have a link to the article Dr. Berry sited? I searched and found the entire thing in PDF form, but I thought there was a more succinct snapshop that Dr. Berry was using.


#6

Thanks for sharing this!


#7

Nah they can throw Keyes under bus since he has been dead for over a decade!


(Alec) #8

There are (at least) 2 major problems we still have that is preventing us getting further:

  1. The pharma industry’s massive self interest in the diet heart hypothesis. They really need the status quo to keep making $bns in profit every year from statins.
  2. If the medical authorities ever did admit that the diet heart hypothesis was wrong (ie high cholesterol isn’t actually the cause of heart disease, and therefore statins are useless and worse) it would be open season in legal circles…. everyone who has been on a statin with all its side effects would be finding someone to sue.

Therefore, the authorities simply cannot admit this. The vested interest in keeping the status quo is just massive.

The problem is all the people that are needlessly dying in the meantime. I still don’t get how the medical authorities sleep at night. I guess they must have convinced themselves that they are right, and this is why they are actually not interested in the science that proves them wrong.


(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #9

Alec, you reminded me of the following:

“It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.”—Upton Sinclair


(Alec) #10

There is no doubt that this is buried. BUT, I believe this is very significant… they have admitted that the low carb diet is OK. That is a massive step forward because it leads to the question: what about the fat? Low carb means high fat, so now fat is OK.

They have not yet got to the implications of this admission, but I think over time they will. The next big chink in the armour that needs to be cracked is the crazy fear of saturated fat. If they can get over that issue, the floodgates will open. Saturated fat is the last battleground.

If I had the money, I would buy a million copies of Nina’s book and send it to the top million politicians, scientists and doctors all around the world. Most wouldn’t read it. But some would and that’s all that is required. There would be an establishment groundswell that may crack the edifice wide open.

I am wondering whether Nina has thought of doing this herself. But it would be more difficult for her to do it, she would be dismissed as a self publicist.

Anybody got a spare few million to spend making the planet healthier?


#11

I love Nina’s book and found it very entertaining but remember, People Magazine was built on the premise that nothing should be longer than you can read on the toilet. Nina’s book is not exactly a short read. Perhaps she needs to do a summary.

As long as seed oils are used and encouraged and are part of “fats” there will still be a problem and innocent fats will be blamed. Much of the bad keto science is based on experiments with various seed oils and trace amounts of transfats that screw up people’s lipid profiles

@PaulL Yes of course, love that quote.


(Stickin' with mammoth) #12

And like that, I have a new word to bandy about. Trouble is, I’ll need to collect all my Brit mates together for the bandying.


(Alec) #13

I am kinda hoping that the top million people would actually have an attention span longer than the average People Magazine reader. Maybe I am being optimistic.

My back up plan is to send them an audible book of it as well.

I think the power of the book is in the weight of the aggregate details… I have read the book once and listened to the audiobook 3 times, and each time I end up in the final chapters just shaking my head, and shouting at the stupidity of it all.


(John) #14

You are welcome. Always a pleasure to help our friends across the pond and elsewhere, to better their knowledge and use of the English language.


(David Cooke) #15

Does this mean the are developing a Keto pill?


(Marianne) #16

I somehow missed this reference. Can you give me the name of it? Thank you.


(Alec) #17

The Big Fat Surprise by Nina Teicholz.

I would make it compulsory reading for everyone if I was made World Dictator for a day. Especially vegans.


#18

Smoke and mirrors and limiting liability.

They still won’t implement any meaningful changes like updating the curriculum/training/CPD for new and practicing medical doctors …or changing policies to ensure doctors introduce a low-carb dietary approach before… say…prescribing medication (aka treating symptoms).


(Stickin' with mammoth) #19

You’ve had a lot longer over there to collect weird and fascinating words. We’re just getting started (and I don’t count teenaged and 20-something slang which seems to explode and dissipate every few months like a TikTok challenge.)

You’re being optimistic.


(John) #20

Don’t worry. You will become educated one day - unless Vlad gets you first!!