This surprised me since both kale and collards are the same species (Brassica oleracea))
Carbs in 100 grams (from the internet)
Kale - 9g
Collards - 5g
Of course there are many kinds of kale. And, not all plant material tested is going to have the same degree of health or freshness.
The left label shows 6 gross carbs - 5 fiber = 1 net carb (per artichoke).
The right is 7 net carbs for about 2 artichokes
What to believe? 
It looks like nutritional information on the artichoke is all over the place.
I just did a quick Google search on nutritional info for the artichoke and it listed a medium artichoke as 13g of carbs, 7g of fiber, and for a large one, 17g of carbs, 9g of fiber.
How do we know what source to believe? Or are there different kinds of artichokes that might be coming into play?
Itās not personal, I donāt have a dog in this fight. Like I said, I only use a little on rare occasion, nowhere near enough to be worried about how many carbs it actually has. If it were pure sugar, it wouldnāt mean a whole lot more to me, I just donāt eat that much of it. But it is curious that there seems to be such diversity in nutritional information.
This artichoke discussion is one more example of how carnivory simplifies your life.
I donāt know about artichokes, but for most vegetables (and fruits), there are many varieties for each. Not only different varieties that might affect numbers, but what was the source and quality of the material for those vegs tested. Stale, limp supermarket stuff shipped from across the country, or fresh from the garden, picked at prime or already senescingā¦ All sorts of factors might come into play. Does a bland piece of watermelon really have as many carbs as a nice super-sweet one of the same size? I doubt it. (Not that anyone here is eating watermelon.)
I think there could be more of a range of values for veggies than we might think. Not sure what can be done about that however.
I followed Dr Berg and the vaccine video is where I parted ways. It was so disappointed he posted that.
I do not eat that much vegetables a day and have not had no problem but I think Dr. Berg knows that (and further advocates unlimited consumption), and if you really look at the data and research; you can determine two glittering concepts that really stick out of all that information and where they fail:
Not enough fat is being consumedā¦
Not enough vegetables are being consumedā¦
The other reason for getting potassium from vegetation has to do with the way it is absorbed by the cells of the body and particulate size of the nutrients?
I agree with you their Gallbladder symptoms are so crazy and quarky they can literally emulate any kind symptom attributed to other illnesses!
I eat a lot of salad/veg have done so for the last 6 months or more actually based on Bergs recommendation. Itās helpful that I really like my greens.
My aim for max carb intake is mid 20s and most of that is from the salad and veg.
70/75 Fat 20/30 net carbs, rest protein.
0.9 ketones Friday, 1.3 today. last night at 6ish I had a big salad not sure on cup qty but I fill a 10" x 4" container with 90% greens, but still hit the macros give or take. 2100 calories or so (still trying to give up counting them but Iām pretty anul about stuff like this)
Iām still finding what works for me with protein/fat ratio and to keep energised to be honest. Donāt get that hungry in a 22 hour fast if Iām busy, only if I find myself with doing to do or watch food programs do I start to think I might be peckish.
For sure Iām not a 100% believer in some of what he says, but I liked the veg idea as I like veg n salad. Easy to win me over with that and I still stay in ketosis it seems.
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Both artichoke hearts and hearts of palm are down to $2.00 a can at Walmart. They make a nice change, but are still a little overpriced.
Thatās an unforced error. Why did he have to do that? Sighā¦
Among my peers, I couldnāt recommend anyone to him now because of that. My own judgment would be considered suspect!
Why not let ruminants eat the greens and bioconcentrate it for us? We can digest animals much more fully than veggies.
I wish! Liposomal transport (fat solubility of vitamins) would work even better if you had an ultra sonic agitator and sunflower seed lecithin, this would work on a whole host of other things besides vitamin C!
The one I use!
My point is thatās what they do already with the microbiome in their rumen. If we had a rumen, weād be able to get more out of the cellulose instead of letting it pass through.
Brendaās comment on potassium in a steak is telling in that in a few ounces of meat we have more bioavailable potassium than in the same amount of greens.
If bioconcentration wasnāt a thing then there wouldnāt be a viable carnivore diet.
Is a pound of Liver a week too much? Itās $3 at Walmart. Not sure if human or ruminant. Would like to avoid beansā¦
Iām sure some of the variation comes from not listing precisely how the vegetable is prepared or not prepared (ie., is it raw? cooked? boiled? steamed?). The USDA database lists vegetables prepared different ways, and invariably the percentage of carbohydrate as fiber decreases dramatically with cooking. If I see huge variations, I usually go to USDA to determine what measurements I should be using.
My biggest disappointment was with kohlrabi - I like it both raw and cooked, but I usually eat it raw now, because in that state it has half the net carbs of cooked for the same weight.
