Dr Boz Calculates levels of autophagy using blood sugar/blood ketones ratio

[DeeCS]

I just watched Megan’s lecture at Ketofest 2019 and she does talk about her experiences with losing 80 lbs and having minimal loose skin and what they’ve seen in their practice, somewhat encouraging. I couldn’t find a transcript, but she’s the first speaker, so not far into the 4 hours.

[daddyoh]

do you have a url

[DeeCS]

Ketofest 2019

Hopefully, I did it correctly.

[collaroygal]

Here is the time schedule.
Megan Ramos - 12:34 Nadir Ali - 47:52 Dave Feldman - 2:08:18 Siobhan Huggins - 2:43:30

[KetoCancerMom]

What do you start at, for glucose and ketones?
I can get my GKI down around that with just fasting for 48-72 hours.

[atomicspacebunny]

Not sure if this answers your question but found this on another area of the forum:

GKI Ratios:

[1] “…For cancer patients in order to stress cancer cells, the ratio should be less than 20 and should ONLY be attempted with a Doctor present. …” …More

[2] “…Dr Boz RATIO LESS THAN 20 = Cancer & extreme health issues. . This was my mom’s category. This zone is really hard. No playing around. Make sure your doctor is watching you closely. Almost all are likely to have autophagy at this stage. …” …More

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[collaroygal]

At least that is what it did for me, hence reversing type 2 diabetes and no longer testing in the insulin resistance pre-diabetes range in blood tests…for the first time in 21? years.

Wow, this is great, congratulations SkyStar!

[Paulene]

Dr. Boz’s book (see above “Anyway You Can”) is explicit on the subject of skin removal being unnecessary with autophagy fasting and ketosis weight loss.

I am on a 100-110 lbs weight loss journey so we’ll see what happens to me.
(66 lbs down as of today.)

Herb, are you still around?? How did you go with the skin sag thingy?

[Happyheart]

Herbs last post was in May. I’m not sure he’s around anymore.

[Paulene]

Ah well, was worth a shot.

[Karim_Wassef]

I did find that fasting helped me lose some of my loose skin. Autophagy does work, but it’s very slow.

[Janie]

Agreed. Same here. Works, but very slow. And the loose skin that started shrinking was from long before keto and didn’t start losing it until i started to fo 3-day fasts. So for me, keto alone did nothing for loose skin.

[Paulene]

Thanks for the responses @Karim_Wassef and @Janie.
Karim, did you do extended fasts (around 3 days) as well?

[Karim_Wassef]

my fasts vary from a day to 19 days.

This thread captures last year’s 19 day fast and this year’s 19 day fast with G, K, and GKI

Karim's Extended Fast Tracker - come along for the ride

Day 22 (19 days fasting and 3 days refeed): [image] So the water and waste change in the beginning is completely reversed. I wasn’t counting it in my math but we’ll see if my body is done or if there’s more to go. The fibrous nature of the food I’m eating doesn’t help. Here was last night’s meal with all indulgences included (18g of carbs): [image] Still with a metabolism around 2200 and intake at 1300, the 18g of carbs (I had miscounted by 1 before ) caused massive water retention,…

[Paulene]

Thanks for that, Karim. I’m hoping to get back inot EF as soon as my rash disappears - fasting makes it much worse.

[Karim_Wassef]

Do you know why fasting makes it worse?

[Paulene]

Not really - I’m looking into at present. I initially though the rash was a keto rash, even though it is not in the usual location on the trunk (mine is on my shins), so I thought the increase ketones from fasting may have been aggravating it. However, I have just finished 2 weeks back on a high carb diet, which usually quickly fixes a keto rash, and the rash is still present.
Another option I am exploring is oxalate dumping causing the rash, and I think fasting may also cause this.
There is quite a bit of information about gut biome and rashes as well. I think I have a healthy gut biome - I have not intestinal or digestion problems, I haven’t had antibiotics in about 15 years, my diet has never been very SAD, and I take probiotics every now and again (e.g., yakult or a probiotic yoghurt). The only time I had any signs of candida was when I was pregnant, last time almost 20 years ago.
This article on fasting references histamines and gut biome in fasting but antihistamines have made no difference to the rash. However, the article also mentioned a thing called Substance P, which I have never heard of before. So I’m currently looking into that.
I’m leaning towards it being an oxalate-related rash. One of the remedies is to increase calcium so I started taking a calcium supplement last weeks, and there has been some improvement, but it is not dramatically improved. I have also been applying topical cortisol cream for a few weeks, with varying results.
This week I am back on keto so I’ll see if it gets worse again.

[Ricardo_Wheelock]

Guys, I am bit worried, I need some help/advice:
I started what I expected to be a 7 day fast. But my sugar level where too low from the start, So at 60 hours I felt some pain in my kidneys and dec

ided too look what normal sugar levels should look like, I got so worried about Hypoglycemia that I decided to stop immediately, I just had some watermelon, very little, and I am sharing my numbers expecting someone to chime in. As you can see I got into what is known as deep autophagy level quite fast but those sugar numbers got me really worried. I have never been diabetic or had any diabetes problems.

[Keto6468]

I’m certainly not a doctor but it seems like maybe you should do shorter fasts

[Karim_Wassef]

I can function just fine at 35G and 5K… the low glucose at low ketones are the concern: 42G and 0.7K…

If ketones are high enough, the need for glucose drops to the basic essentials - red blood cells and some nervous system/brain function.

With low ketones, that looks off… I would get a second meter (or borrow from a friend) to confirm that yours is accurate.

I would stop a fast if you feel pain. Kidney pain may be the result of dehydration so make sure you’re taking enough salt and water (actually I take a range of minerals when I do extended fasts). My longest fast was 19 days and I usually get to that deep autophagy after the first week.

That’s just my n=1… I’m not a medical doctor, just a personal experimenter.