Does anti-keto, pro-plant get any worse than this?

(Empress of the Unexpected) #1

And not just from a doctor, from a “leading” doctor. Sheesh. Didn’t realize salmon and broccoli could lead to death.

(John) #2

Interesting - her big complaints are: keto flu (over in 2 weeks, and easy to manage with water and salt), dehydration (drink water - always a good idea anyway), and kidney stones (assuming from oxalates - ok, add some lemon to the water you drink). And that 5 children who were on a keto diet for a purpose other than weight loss, died. Didn’t say what they died of, or if it was related to the diet or to the underlying condition that was being treated by the diet.

She seems to be promoting a pure vegetarian lifestyle. Whatever works for her. I’m sure that can be a healthy diet too, if you can stick with it.

(Doug) #3

Speaking plainly, any even half-rational person can see right through this poor article in an instant. Vague finger-pointing at ketogenic eating, generalizing from the particular, and other implied logical fallacies do nothing to advance the anti-keto claims.

Not to say that “𝒆𝒗𝒆𝒓𝒚𝒃𝒐𝒅𝒚 should do it,” nor that nobody can do well on a higher-carbohydrate diet. Yet the great benefits that vast numbers of people gain from keto come largely from their own context - that of having hormonal disruption, often specifically insulin resistance and the attendant weight gain, metabolic syndrome, pre-diabetes or diabetes.

This is no small thing. The CDC says that by 2050, 𝟏/𝟑 of Americans will have Type 2 diabetes. The world as a whole is not far behind. The benefits of keto extend to Type 1 diabetics ( a common factor for long-lived Type 1 diabetics is a low insulin dosage, even moreso than the strictest control of blood sugar) and quite a few other conditions as well.

More than 100 million Americans have diabetes or pre-diabetes now. Hundreds of millions of people have full-blown diabetes, worldwide. It’s doing all these people a disservice to make articles like this one. We see plenty of the same type of thing from the sugar industry, from food processors, and from pharmaceutical companies and those who are beholden to them financially. The worldwide insulin market is ~$40 billion per year, with a fast growth rate of ~8% per year. The drug companies are not going to give up so much profit willingly.

If there is a rational point to be made against ketogenic eating, let’s hear it. In the meantime, keto’s results speak for itself, among literally millions of people who are doing it.

(Empress of the Unexpected) #4

But why do the vegetarians care so much? Why is everyone anti-keto? Suddenly. When I was in my 20’s I could easily and happily go three months eating only meat. It didn’t occur to me that I was doing anything unusual. Chicken salad, steak? Way better than the SAD. I have only been strict keto for six months, so don’t know the effect these types of articles would have had on me previously, but probably no effect, since my favorite thing in life is fat! But I hate the fact that the general public is reading this stuff.

(Doug) #5

I wonder that too, Regina. Not saying that the above article is this way, specifically, but there is a lot of “pay to publish” stuff we see nowadays, where online writers/commentators are simply for sale - it does not take many thousands of Dollars to get somebody to say what you want them to. An example is Forbes.com - used to be pretty respectable and interesting, but lately I’ve seen stuff just like the article in question here.

(Empress of the Unexpected) #6

But she was: Speaking exclusively to Plant Based News But you could be right.

(Running from stupidity) #7

Because it threatens their world view, and their superiority complex.

(Running from stupidity) #8

Indeed, they have turned themselves into a joke in order to keep the money trickling in.

(Empress of the Unexpected) #9

Holy cow. I eat what I eat. I have lost the weight and feel wonderful. Why would I possibly care what someone else eats? If I am thinner and feel good, why would another eating style threaten me?

#10

Regina… admit it. You are a closet vegan :rofl:

(Empress of the Unexpected) #11

No way! I admit I was a vegetarian for 7 years. But vegan? Never.

(Bunny) #12

Once she understands the truth, she will be putting her foot in her mouth at a later date!

I suppose you would have to make your medical opinions about nutrition based around what is available on the shelves at the local mainstream grocery stores?

#13

BUT THINK OF THE AMINALS!!!eleven!!!

(Bunny) #14

Love animals!

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(Bunny) #15

Selenium deficiency and other numerous complications that are transient when the ketogenic diet is not done correctly e.g. higher intake above RDA values of vitamin and minerals not being taken into consideration when the diet is recommended is my guess?

”…The biggest single problem with nutrition “science” is that cause and effect are rarely linked correctly. Stated another way, it’s one thing to observe an outcome, but it’s quite another to conclude the actual cause of that outcome. …” - Dr. Peter Attia

(Running from stupidity) #16

I wouldn’t bet on that.

(Bunny) #17

I know, wishful thinking!

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #18

If God didn’t want us to eat them, why did he make them out of meat? :smile:

(Randy) #19

[quote=“Regina, post:4, topic:59712, full:true”]
But why do the vegetarians care so much?

It’s vegans. And for many of them not eating animals is a religion. And like any religion there are fanatics that will say or do anything to convert people.

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #20

A lot of the prejudice against eating meat comes from the Seventh-Day Adventist Church. Apparently it’s in their scriptures, or something.