Doctor who recommended Keto says it isn't great as a long term diet

[Saphire]

I think that is interesting but would be a problem for those doing Keto for diabetes as Paleo can be higher in carbs

[ctviggen]

I tried paleo for a while, but it does cause much higher blood sugar spikes. Maybe if I never messed up my metabolism, it would be OK.

The other issue is that a lot of “paleo” foods and I don’t get along. Sweet potato can cause issues, as can zucchini. A further issue is that “paleo” typically includes things that really aren’t “paleo”, like maple syrup. I can’t see any good to maple syrup, save in small quantities for flavoring. They also allow a lot of “flours” that I think are questionable at best and bad for you at worst. For instance, cassava root flour, nut flours, etc. I think it’s best we don’t eat those.

[gingersmommy]

he thinks its better to be borderline keto for 3-4 months in a year and then go to a mediterranean or a paleo diet long term to balance things out and provide the body with essential nutrients in fruits, root vegetables etc.

I’d be curious to know what he is basing this on (not that I’d ask him). I bet it’s on the old familiar science that has been shoved down our throats since the 60s.

I was naturally surprised to hear this (especially since he seemed to be such an advocate to begin with!) and now I find myself questioning my choices to begin with and wondering if there’s some serious issues going on somewhere which will crop up in five years time or so.

Since starting, I have learned so much from the scientists and experts on this forum, as well as reading and watching the numerous and extensive videos on dietdoctor.com. The majority, if not all, of the information presented has been scientifically researched, studied and presented by physicians and nutritionists. I believe in what they say more than what my general practitioner tells me - I don’t acknowledge him as an expert in the field of diet and nutrition.

Don’t think for a minute that the food industry and ADA are completely altruistic in wanting to help the public. I am becoming a conspiracy theorist in my old age and now believe that big agriculture, big pharma and big business are all in bed together for corporate gain alone. Why else would they be promoting a WOE for over 50 years that is making us fatter? In spite of the empirical (love that word - thank you @atomicspacebunny), evidence that keto works, why hasn’t mainstreamed medicine or the ADA promoted comprehensive research into it? They just accept and continue to push what we all have been told is “healthy” eating (“good” carbs, fruits, “healthy” grains and oils, low fat, etc.).

I am comfortable with what I have learned and how I have chosen to eat. We are all going to die of something, however, I don’t think my blood work lies, I have gotten my body to where it is healthy enough to discontinue some of the medications I was on, instead of just treating the symptoms of disease, plus I feel like the keto WOE will give me the best chances of staving off cancer, which I’m sure my old way of eating was promoting. Now when I go to my gp (who never even acknowledged a 60 lb. weight loss, despite seeing me frequently pre-keto, and my weight was also in my chart), I take what he says with a grain of salt.

[Shinita]

I’d be curious to know what he is basing this on (not that I’d ask him). I bet it’s on the old familiar science that has been shoved down our throats since the 60s.

My first thought was similar. I wouldn’t accept these things without even something to back it up, not like I can imagine there is something like that. We know fruit and vegetables aren’t essential and they are quite bad for certain people. Maybe good for others but it’s individual and if it works, why to break it?

Keto isn’t very specific and it’s true for paleo as well. We can do both diets in very different ways. We shouldn’t eat food that is clearly harmful for us and we need to get the necessary nutrients. Keto is bad only if we can’t function well with this little carbs or we need carbier items for some reason (because the keto options can’t work for us. There is no essential nutrients we can’t get from keto food, after all. If the doctor disagrees, just tell a single one…)

[atomicspacebunny]

Thought this was interesting also:

What foods to avoid if you have calcium oxalate kidney stones?

Get the calcium you need: Getting too little calcium in your diet can cause oxalate levels to rise and cause kidney stones. To prevent this, make sure to take in an amount of calcium appropriate to your age. Ideally, obtain calcium from foods, since some studies have linked taking calcium supplements to kidney stones.

5 steps for preventing kidney stones - Harvard Health Blog

https://www.ketogenicforums.com/t/help-sudden-onset-finger-joint-pain-trigger-finger-and-pins-and-needles/94719/8?u=atomicspacebunny

[Diygurl19]

My doctor said he is OK with keto, however, he said to watch the fat because it will clog my arteries since it has nowhere to go!

[Fangs]

omg fire him LOL holy HAHA

[Janie]

They just don’t understand the concept that you use the fat you eat for ENERGY and burn it up. But you cannot blame them - just repeating what they have been taught.

[barefootbob]

But you cannot blame them

But you can fire them. If my accountant was 30 years behind in tax law I’d find another.

[Momof5]

When I was at my doctor’s recently with my daughter (that had an appointment) I told him that I have lost 57 pounds so far on Keto, and he said that was great --but didn’t say much (in total fairness to him, the appointment was for my daughter and not for me). I did say that now I have drastically reduced my chances of Type2Diabetes and he didn’t agree with me, however -he just kind of said oh, we’ll see type of response. I will make an appointment for myself after I have lost a bunch more weight. I am 1/3 of the way to goal now =).

[Janie]

You may have better choices where you live to find a keto-friendly doctor, but I live in BFE Arkansas with limited choices. I focus on one who is competent in diagnosing and treating illness, not make diet recommendations to me. I got that part!

[barefootbob]

I live in SC, the situation isn’t much better here. I did get lucky and found a good NP who is familiar with Keto and didn’t freak out when I told her I was carnivore. I have very little use or patience with most GPs.