Dish Detergent

[trukar]

Now there’s a worrying thought… and maybe even my source of gut permeability?

Could well be. Dish soap is designed to disolve fat…and there is fat in most (possibly all) cells of the human body as far as I know. Its also designed to kill germs and bacteria…defineitely lots of those in the gut!

[beannoise]

shampoo, soap and toothpaste.

I use baking soda as a rinse following a shampooing with tallow soap, which is a little acidic. I’m intolerant to salicylates, so I brush my teeth with it in the morning and use a children’s toothpaste in the evening (I do need a little fluoride).

Here’s a dilution guide for liquid castille: https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0424/3475/6772/files/GG-Dilutions_Cheat_Sheet-Liquid_Soap_Carton--8.28.24.jpg?v=1730133076

[beannoise]

Baking soda / sodium bicarbonate. Get an old plastic bottle (shampoo or similar). Fill it 90% with baking soda. Fill the rest with water. Give it a good shake. Repeat until full.

This works really well. Thanks for sharing!

[Pjam]

Baking soda / sodium bicarbonate

This does work well I combine mine with some Castile soap. There’s a little more work involved, things don’t float away like it did with detergent but that’s OK. I feel better for ditching the terrible stuff

[PaulL]

Thanks Bob. Since an IBD diagnosis anything involving gut barrier interests me.

B-hydroxybutyrate will heal IBD. It promotes tight junctions between the cells of the intestinal linings, whereas a high-carbohydrate diet relaxes the junctions. Also, the phytosterols in seed oils that replace the cholesterol needed in cell walls add to the problem.

The harshness of soap is related to the kind of fat used. Lye soap is harsh, not because of the lye, but because of the animal fat used to make it. Castile soap, which was developed six hundred years ago, was the first soap to use vegetable fat, and it is famously milder than animal-fat soap, even though it is still made with lye.

Modern detergents tend not to be soaps at all. The word “detergent” means “foaming agent,” and the scientific category of detergents thus includes both soaps and non-soap detergents. As a marketing term, however, “detergent” implies that the foaming agent is something other than a soap, which is lye and fat combined in a specific process, known as saponification. (As mentioned, it is the type of fat used that determines the harshness or mildness of the soap.) Non-soap detergents are synthesised without involving saponification. What their effect may or may not be on the human body is an interesting question.

[PaulL]

Clearly, carb-restriction leads to a dawn effect.

AAAARRRRGGGGHHHH!

(Love it!)

[Pjam]

“detergent” implies that the foaming agent is something other than a soap

What their effect may or may not be on the human body is an interesting question.

Wish I knew … either way, because without the famous green foaming stuff I can’t get anything clean. Everything is covered in grease … I don’t mind but Mrs PJ is far from happy.

B-hydroxybutyrate will heal IBD

Fantastic news. This must be why my change from Keto to Carnivore (extra Ketones) is working.

[Janie]

I am a chemical engineer and have worked in a saponification process that make commerical detergents.

The basic process is you start with molten sulfur, feed it to a burner to turn it into an SO2 gas, then catalyze it to make an SO3 gas. This is reacted in a falling film reactor with various raw materials made from crude oil, such as an alpha olefin. It is neutralized and water added to make liquid soaps and cleaners.

I am not familiar with how the commerical bar soaps are made but our products could go into liquid dish detergents, hard surface cleaners, shampoos, etc. The formulations varied, depending on the final product. We only made the cleaning agents and produced no final products. The manufacturers added all the other ingredients. For powdered detergents we sent the liquid through a spray dryer.

[Pjam]

I am a chemical engineer and have worked in a saponification process that make commerical detergents.

Wow that’s amazing Janie. This thread is perfect for you!
Any thoughts on the chemicals involved and their effect on the gut?

[trukar]

This does work well I combine mine with some Castile soap. There’s a little more work involved, things don’t float away like it did with detergent but that’s OK. I feel better for ditching the terrible stuff

Glad to hear you like the baking soda solution.
Interested to know what benefits the combing with Castile soap brings?
Saw you mention that your stuff is still greasy - does that happen with the baking soda? Ive been using it for 12 years now and have never encounterd that probelm. Quite the opposite in fact, I find it amazing for getting rid of grease. In fact I even use it for getting rid of grease and oil stains on my clothes from bike chains etc.

[beannoise]

In fact I even use it for getting rid of grease and oil stains on my clothes from bike chains etc.

Hubby was impressed that it cleaned axel grease off his hands better than the degreaser he normally uses.

[Pjam]

Saw you mention that your stuff is still greasy

If I use little effort in scrubbing or soaking then yes. things are still greasy. I since discovered soaking for 5 mins works well. Techniques for detergent vs Baking soda are different I find.