Discipline "after" keto

(Jane) #61

The “pee sticks don’t work after you have been keto after xxx months” myth has been debunked.

I am 2 years on keto and still turn pee sticks purple. Some don’t. Some do.

(mole person) #62

Same. Purple pee sticks every day after nearly three years and I’m not at all insulin resistant either.

(Ken) #63

Mine still turn purple after nearly 20 years.

There’s lot’s of misconceptions due to Dogma on this thread. There is no need to roller coaster up and down as far as fat levels once you eat carbs at above Keto levels.

What you really do is roller coaster your Glycogen levels. As long as you never go off the rails into chronic overcompensation you’ll not regain fat. It seems like such a simple concept it baffels me people can’t seem to grasp it. It’s how I’ve never regained an ounce of fat in almost 20 years.

(Full Metal KETO AF) #64

Can you explain this Ken? How does this work? I haven’t heard this before. :cowboy_hat_face:

(Ken) #65

I can’t tell if you’re serious. It’s a point I’ve reiterated quite.a few times on this Board. Do you really need for me to explain it again?

(Full Metal KETO AF) #66

It was a serious question. Maybe the terminology with roller coaster just isn’t ringing a bell. You could just link a post you already made about it. Is this carb cycling with fasting to deplete glycogen stores or something?

(Ken) #67

OK.

Liver Glycogen levels determine if you store fat. Absence of glycogen causes you to burn fat. That is the second step of Glucagon secretion, the first step occurs when glucose levels drop, glucagon secretion begins and glycogenolysis begins until the liver is depleted. Then you actually begin Lipolysis.

The reverse is also true as far as fat storage. Carbs are consumed, the excess is converted to glycogen. First it goes to the muscles, then after that it goes to the liver. Once the liver is full (recompensation) the excess glycogen gets converted to fat. Some will bring up de novo Lipogenesis when glucose is potentially converted to fat, but that debate went on about 20 years ago and was fairly inconclusive, but even then the significant conclusion was that liver glycogen levels had to be full for it to happen. It was an issue among folks worrying about how much to eat when performing a CKD Carb up.

So, if you consume carbs above keto levels you will not gain fat unless you chronically overcompensate glycogen. That’s why people can go days or weeks eating carbs, go back to Keto and once the glycogen is depleted be back where they started. As long as they didn’t significantly overeat. I myself went two months last year and had the same result. This is also the reason many can eat carbs on the Weekends and still lose fat.

The real key is to go back to keto levels frequently so your body is comfortable secreting glucagon, which maintains metabolic flexibility and prevents negative readaptation. Your baseline should be VLCHF, with the carbs being the exception rather than the dominant pattern.

I always tell people I can eat anything I want, and I do, but as long as your glycogen levels are kept down.

(Jane) #68

I’m sure everyone is different, but for YOU, what is your weekly carb limit to keep your glycogen level down? I ask about weekly since daily does not seem relevant when talking about glycogen storage.

(Full Metal KETO AF) #69

Thanks Ken, nice explanation. :cowboy_hat_face:

(Ken) #70

For me, I went by the Scale. Because I have done quite a bit of CKD in the past. I know I carry around 14 pounds of Glycogen. Before I ever gained that much water weight I’d throw in a day or two of VLCHF to get my levels to drop. Plus I tend to get tried of eating carbs and favor a Paleo pattern anyway.

This is what I’m talking about as far as a Glycogen Roller Coaster.