Cruse Food


(Todd Roscoe) #1

Has anyone had success with explaining the Ketogenic dietary needs to the dining staff when on a cruise – other than the keto cruise?

I recently – January – went on a cruise with a major entertainment company cruise line and eating there took the magic out of it for me.

Before the cruse, my wife and I discussed meals, she’s avoiding sugar now while I’m dedicated to being ketogenic to prevent health issues - my last two physicals I was creeping to prediabetes but have since dropped my A1C to 5.5 and I’m expecting it to be down again at my next physical this month. We’d skip breakfast and have lunch and dinner in the main dining. I figured, like past cruses, I could get a meat, some green vegies and be good with it.

It seems the main dining has gone less formal than in the past and everything had some sort of carb mixed in it; or sugar added where it didn’t need to be. We learned this at the first dinner. So I spoke with the head waiter about dietary needs. I told him that I was eating a Ketogenic diet. I got a deer in the headlights look, so I elaborated that I’m avoiding carbohydrates and am eating high fat, moderate protein, and the only green vegetables.

There answer, okay, well put you down as a gluten allergy. Whatever, the ship has internet, look it up if you don’t understand it. After that I soon learned that speaking up was a mistake.

Every lunch - you didn’t get your regular waiter even in the dining room as they had one dining area at lunch - the waiters would come up and say we have a food allergy here. I started replying yes, allergic to sugar, it causes high insulin. Strange looks. So they always started me out with gluten free bread - my son would eat it as it looked like French bread. When the main meal came, there was a huge, whole carrot on it. Didn’t even look like it was prepared other than washing it off. At first, I thought they were messing with me, but later got similar carrots, although smaller. I was able to fix this be asking for broccoli and cauliflower only.

Also, everything lacked flavor, which both my wife - who used to be a cook when she worked - and I attributed to a lack of fat. I used all the butter they would put on our table on the vegetables and sometime the meat, to add fat. It seemed the menu is catering to the low-fat clientele.

I was also not able to find heavy cream anywhere on the ship for coffee. I had to start asking for it at dinner with my desert - decaf coffee. My waiter would get either a creamer container or glass of heavy cream for me from the chef and I’d take what I didn’t use back to the room to last me the next day. I also found a pay coffee spot on the ship where they had canned whipping cream and – after I checked the label for carbs and ingredients - they would put it in the cup and then add expresso for me, so it would revert to a cream.

I believe I know why they avoid the heavy cream. I believe because the route had changed due to the stoma damage, they were pushing the speed and the ship was vibrating. In the morning, the cream started clotting, like it was being churned slowly overnight in the refrigerator. Didn’t bother me, but I understand why they didn’t want it out to serve. The last night on the ship, the cream came from he kitchen already clotted. The waiter commented that it happens all the time.

We started having our dinner with the children in the formal dining room and I’d only eat what was clearly plain food. Then we’d go to the buffet where they would have a carving station and, depending on what I ate for dinner, would have protein or a salad or vegetables.

It does seem that the cooking on the ship has really changed since prior cruises. We’ve been on this line and others and recall that back then – pre-Ketogenic diet more Atkins back in the day – it was easy to have a salad and meat and fat was liberally used in flavoring. I would like to find the proper communication to use so that the dining staff understand the needs and a cruise can once again be enjoyable. At this point, our thoughts are that we will go back to another cruise line when we decide to take another cruise.


#2

We had one cruise about 5 years ago. I was aware that there might be food issues and was pleasantly surprised that I could keto to my heart’s content at the buffet. We soon learned to avoid the formal dining, but that was mainly because of the excruciating behaviour by the other people on our table, rather than the food.

Looking back, I ate extremely well, by simply selecting higher protein options and then eating what I wanted while leaving the sauce or carby twiddles on the plate.

I was also stunned by the amount of carbage my beloved managed to pack in. When we got home he had gained about 10 pounds, and I had stayed exactly the same weight.

He wants to go on another, but I don’t. It isn’t the food that would put me off though - it was the behaviour of the other passengers, and the conditions the staff had to work under. I just don’t want to support an industry that allows those things.


(Janet) #3

Have not been on the magic line since a child’s lifetime ago and pre-LC, but we find it easy to remain LC. We have settled into Celebrity since its introduction of Aquaclass. It has its own dining room, with its own kitchen at least on the S-class ships. Not “spa food” but lighter and with the chef not far away, much easier to get special orders met than when in main dining. Breakfast is egg dishes, lunch we use the buffet and make a salad with an added protein (dozens of items to choose, some high fat) and dinner there is always something, including three classics (salmon, beef, chicken plainly cooked) The waiter, even new assistants, got that we didn’t want the bread baskets…Though a few times the dining room manager had a fit there was no bread on our table. There are additional specialty restaurants, one that is spa food near the gym, an Italian steakhouse, suites also have their own dining room, etc. You might look to other lines that have added sanctuaries or have a focus on food with multi restaurants with their own kitchens.


(jketoscribe) #4

I have found for the most part that I’m better off making my own choices than expecting others to understand my dietary restrictions and accommodate them. For example, I hate ordering a burger without a bun and getting a ton of not very nice lettuce with it–I’m perfectly content to eat the burger patty with a knife and fork on a plate. So I just order a burger and remove the bun myself.

In a restaurant situation I will ask for particular changes to the specific meal, e.g. “I’ll have the beef stroganoff but please leave the noodles off the plate”. Sometimes they will offer you an extra fresh veggie instead which usually works out great for me. The only time this didn’t work for me is when I treated my husband to a prix fixe birthday dinner at Greens (very well-known vegetarian restaurant in SF)–they had plenty of choices that would have worked for me but for the fact that (green, red, yellow) peppers were in season and every dish that wasn’t carbful was based on peppers–and I HATE peppers!!! I ended up with two very tasty salad courses, but for a lot of money per person I was pretty disappointed. The chef decides the prix fixe menu that very day depending on what’s fresh and plentiful, so there’s no way I could have anticipated this.

Cruise dining has really changed! The last cruise we were on was with 20 family members and “open seating”. Getting tables for all of us at the same time was difficult and the dining room seemed woefully understaffed. It often took HOURS to get through the dinner service and we had some restless young kids in the group. We quickly gave up and ate all of our meals at the buffet, but I really didn’t like that either because it reminded me too much of college cafeteria days and I despise eating off trays. However, it was very easy to pick and choose what to eat, and the chefs were right there to prepare special orders on the spot (and the food WAS better than the dorm cafeteria!). For an extra $10 with reservations you could have a meal in a more intimate restaurant-like setting and they were very accommodating of my dietary proclivities when my husband and I had a “date night” aboard.

From what I hear, even the veterans of keto cruises bring their own Kerrygold butter. I didn’t realize that about the cream but it makes sense. Nowadays I’m mostly off dairy, too, so I’d probably pack along my own coconut cream.


(Robert Hollinger) #5

I find that often if I don’t order it with no bun then it may come out in a basket instead of a plate making it very difficult to eat with a knife and fork :frowning:


#6

Always try to order without the bun as I do not mind the extra lettuce, like using it as a substitute bun if it is not iceberg. Plus they will often add nice veggies or other options. Also, I try to avoid wheat and even the crumbs from the bun will contaminate my burger.

I have a child with Celiac and one of the things I try to let the server know is that this is a medical condition rather than a lifestyle choice. Since she is a child and most servers seem to take it seriously and she usually has nice options. I was gluten free by choice for many years before she was diagnosed but I usually did not bother because I think most servers in my case assumed it was a lifestyle choice

I am surprised you had such a hard time on the cruise. Obviously try another line. Have not cruised in years (not my thing) but in restaurants suggesting the server ask the chef for heavy cream works about about 65% of the time. Otherwise I ask for half and half. I rarely have a problem in restaurants unless everything was pasta and I avoid those. Even in our local pizza and pasta place they have a chicken palliard with spring vegetables and salad option


#7

I’ve never been on a cruise and the thought of going on doesn’t particularly appeal to me either, but, whatever floats your boat I suppose. :stuck_out_tongue: