It’s all about calories for me. And how my satiation works. So dairy pretty much keeps me fat unless I am super good at control and I am not. It’s not satiating for me (except maybe quark as that is protein rich and not very fatty, it’s the only dairy item where the fattiest version is like that) and I consider dairy my number one reason for overeating. When I don’t eat a lot of carbs, at least.
Red meat and seitan are my top satiating items, according to my experience. Egg is a bit worse, IDK about quark but it must be fine, even the other meats when not used all by themselves… And everything else should be kept at the minimum. Of course, it’s just my N=1. I totally believe there are many people who find some dairy items filling. I don’t have this thing, I need a lot of protein and fat to get satiated when I am hungry. And dairy just adds to my daily food intake, at least some kinds, it’s not like I could make a very informative experiment but I have experiences, I have been tracking a lot and saw patterns. Anyway, I eat my eggs, I eat my meat, they are in a range but if I am a bit indulgent with dairy, my total calories will be way too high for me to lose any fat. Hence my inability to lose fat on keto, I love dairy too much. I could balance it out with lean meat but I like to eat fattier than that. Except quark, dairy items bring too much fat. My fat/protein ratio is problematic enough without much dairy.
I don’t believe that just because a calf gain weight from cow milk, it triggers that. I don’t only drink milk, many dairy items are different from milk nutritionally (maybe they think there is something inherently fattening in dairy? well it makes no sense to me, many people loses fat with dairy and why wouldn’t they? I did that too, way before keto) - and the calf surely drinks enough to support the urge in its body to grow. And it grows differently than I would… I don’t say there isn’t anything in dairy that hormonally supports something in some people but people clearly don’t become inable to lose fat just because they eat dairy… Does it make it harder? I suppose, it depends. It may help some people (see the filling yogurt for some people, should I be envious?
that would be a ton of extra fat and sugar in my case for me
though in a right moment it could be a better dessert than some other. but my desserts are typically WAY better than yogurt. I have learned to be careful with dairy but yogurt is so fluid, I taste it and bam, it’s 3-400g and I have “ruined” my day. Parentheses as I don’t lose fat either way), it may be bad for others (like me) and it may not matter at all (my SO.
he gets satiated by calories, mostly. he does need his protein and fat but his fruity - raisins and something else galore - oatmeal fills him up just as well as anything else and it lasts at least 2 times longer than any meal of mine except my OMAD ones. his beloved dairy works just as well as everything else. he doesn’t need to track, he automatically eats about the same sized meals, I mean the calories but he gets plenty of fat and enough protein without trying too. he does need some decent volume unlike I do but as he eats decent sized meals and plenty of watery plant food, that’s no problem either).
By the way… About small animals growing big by drinking milk… Doesn’t other small animals grow big by eating animals? Like small snakes, among others? It’s not like animal bodies can’t make a tiny growing animal getting big! It happens to mammals too when they don’t drink milk anymore but still aren’t full sized yet and their species is carnivore…
Dairy means pure dairy to me, it sounds logical to me. If the ice cream is 100% dairy, it’s dairy, otherwise it’s not, in my eyes, at least.
Obviously a ton of added sugar changes things… I am unsure what else is in ice cream nowadays. By the way, I saw vegan ice cream. From rice. Wow. With barely any fat (all rapeseed oil if I remember well). I never understood why some vegans want to replace something not replaceable (based on some very unique animal item) with plant stuff not even having the right macros, not even remotely. It’s like the “bacon” from rice paper. At least use protein and fat, lots of fat
It won’t be anything like that but maybe a good replacement for people with the right taste? I can make way better vegan food than too many people and I try to stick to carnivore most of the time… But I always liked fat so obviously my plant-based foods aren’t extremely low-fat… That can ruin a dish. Or my day.