Comments from people saying “you’ve lost enough”

(less is more, more or less) #21

My most supportive, comprehensively awesome but non-LCHF wife, whom wonderfully accommodates my WoE, loves to say "you’ve lost enough [and you should stop]” to me, usually in company. Since I am Dr. Westman’s patient, she knows my answer. I’m deferential to my doctor. When he says I’m done, I’m done.

(Banting & Yudkin & Atkins & Eadeses & Cordain & Taubes & Volek & Naiman & Bikman ) #22

A few folks at work are saying that I’ve lost so much that I’m disappearing. I am a 29.8 BMI, so just under “obese” and merely “overweight.”

I worry about having some form of dysmorphia, but I look at myself without a shirt on and there is another 20+lbs to go. So, pretty much exactly where you are.

I like the problem, but as an overthinker, it makes me wonder.

(Bev Anne Moynham) #23

It will be a long time before anyone tells me I’ve lost too much weight. I look forward to it in a way.

The problem is that people don’t realize that sugar can be an addiction for some – it is for me. Just like a recovered alcoholic can never touch booze I don’t believe I’ll ever be able to have sugar again without causing terrible cravings. My answer would be to ask them if they would offer a drink to an alcoholic. I would probably get a “deer-in-the-headlights” stare but it would probably shut them up. Maybe.

If they persisted I would probably get very bitchy and say something rude.

(Alec) #24

Kyle
If I was deferential to my Dr I would be on statins, 40kg heavier than I am now, diabetic and heading for an early grave. I suppose it’s all in the quality of the Dr!
Cheers
Alec

(less is more, more or less) #25

I presumed people would recognize Dr. Eric Westman here. Perhaps I’m mistaken.

(Shayne) #26

It’s interesting that you have this perception of smokers trying to get ex smokers back in the band as it were. I found the exact opposite when I quit smoking. If I had had a bad day and asked any of my smoker friends and/or family for a cigarette, they would not only say no, but discourage me from even thinking that a cigarette was going to help whatever situation I found myself in. I find that smokers know how hard it is to quit and they want anyone who can do it to keep going!

(Terence Dean) #27

Way to go Alec!

#28

Part of the problem is that we have adjusted our perceptions of what “normal” people look like. I get somewhat saddened when I read some people’s(especially women’s) goal weights, especially women who are still quite young. In some cases, their goal weights are still very high. I don’t know if it’s because people are afraid to hope they’ll be able to reach an actual “normal” weight and are willing to settle for still being less overweight or obese or if it’s the perception that weighing (using myself as an example and something I used to say) 150 pounds when you’re 5-1 is normal. When I was 20, weighing more than 115 pounds at my height was a reason to go on an extreme diet–probably one of the reasons for my deranged metabolism today. But people in general were much thinner then and there was more pressure to stay that way.

I don’t mean to put down people’s goals by this. Losing ANY weight is a reason for celebration, and 150 was my original goal. But then I realized that the American body standard of today is still not healthy. I’m at 136 right now, and it would be very easy to stop there. I’m getting the “you’re thin enough” line too. But I’m still not at a “normal BMI” and I have plenty of abdominal fat(the bad kind) that’s still hanging on, so why stop there?

#29

I work with mostly men, at ideal weights, who eat carbs & sugar all day, everyday. (Probably all TOFIs.) When the subject comes up or someone offers me non-keto food, which happens almost daily, I always decline and say I’ve gotten off sugar permanently. And yet, just this week my boss shows up at my desk with a “treat” for me, a milkshake. This man knows I’m watching my father slowly kill himself with T2D, and how desperately I want to stave off a similar fate. I get tired of repeating myself constantly. It’s always in a nice way, but sometimes I’m on the verge of getting bitchy about it. I think the only thing that keeps me from unleashing that on someone is that they truly are ignorant of what this feels like. They have never had a weight problem, and have no concept of what I’m dealing with. In their hearts, they are good/nice people and they honestly do not understand. This is their idea of showing appreciation & inclusion.

Sorry to get off topic. But I’ll circle back & say that I LONG for the day someone tells me I’ve lost enough weight. I’d love to have to figure out how to respond to it. People are strange. It would never occur to me to give my unsolicited opinion about something so deeply personal as a person’s body.

(LeeAnn Brooks) #30

My mother had a friend that got her back smoking again, after over a year off. I was there watching and it was like two 50 year old teenagers with one peer pressuring the other. I was so pissed and kept telling her friend she can’t have just one. She’s an adict, to which I was told I should stop behaving like a brat and but my nose out of it.
I stormed out of my moms house.
And she was hooked again.

I still won’t talk to that long time friend of my mom’s. It was the most selfish thing I’ve seen. She simply wanted someone to smoke with her. I do believe if left alone with her, I might have a few choice words for her.

(less is more, more or less) #32

My empathetic frustration in reading your story is strong. No friend wants to derail one’s positive changes. Yet, there’s denial. Even your best friend has his or her weakness and is unaware of the damage he or she is causing.

(Alec) #33

Kyle
I recognised him. My point was that you are lucky to have that quality of Dr! Mine, not so good. :disappointed_relieved::see_no_evil::laughing:

#34

Hi,
My original goal was 150 lb and after I made 165 lb I was happy with my weight. Lol. I quit drinking wine and promptly lost another 30 lb. :joy::joy:

I currently weigh 132 lb, and now consider myself a bit thin for my height. That puts my BMI at 20.7, so I am in “normal range”.

I continue to fast each month (2-5 days) for health reasons.

My current “goal” is 130 lb. In reality I maintain 132-135 lb.

I have declared winter. In Queensland.

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(less is more, more or less) #35

Well, funny story about that. Two years ago, my doctor diagnosed me as clinically obese. I said I wanted a second opinion, and he said I was also ugly.¹ When I asked him for diet advice, he gave the standard spiel, “reduce your saturated fats, more fruits and veggies, yadda yadda yadda.”

That is when I went through a series of diets, from CICO, to South Beach. The results were terrible. Then I saw Dr. Westman present on LCHF on Duke University’s YouTube channel. He and I share the same employer. Having successfully done Atkins back in 2003 (yeah, I backslid all the way back to carbage,) I asked my general for a referral to Dr. Westman. I’ve been his patient for a year, (I started LCHF June 8th, 2017) and the results are dramatic. Since then, I’ve converted 1/3 of my staff to the LCHF/Keto lifestyle without saying one proselytizing word. I’m down from 44 to 38 waist, from 285 down to 220. In April 2018, I asked Westman to recommend a complete blood panel and the results, for an old fart such as I, are fantastic. I couldn’t be happier. Armed, and excited, I presented my general doctor with the results. “Your blood work is fantastic. Oh, I’ve heard great things about keto and LCHF.”

So why didn’t you recommend it back then? Progress, nonetheless.

Anyhow, he’s otherwise a fine doctor. I’m alive due to western medical practices, so I can cut my doctor some slack. To round this circle to your OP, it’s where I should “stop” which is in contention. I’d like to be a 36 waist. My wife says I look “too thin,” but that’s silly. Hence, my deference to the good doctor, Dr. Westman. My next visit, next week, will be very interesting.

¹ Rodney Dangerfield. I love that joke.

(Alec) #36

I love that this is now my main question as well. To have this as the main question rather than how to lose weight is utterly amazing to me.

I love keto.
Cheers
Alec

(less is more, more or less) #37

Losing weight isn’t the hard part, but keeping it off? Very much so. LCHF/Keto is, I’m finding, the key. No longer do I “go back to my old ways,” much to my wife’s consternation.

What if, all the food that we think is OK, isn’t? For many, that’s too painful to consider. They bicker over nutritional details, (whole grain wheat was what you need) and other Titanic deck chair positions.

(Banting & Yudkin & Atkins & Eadeses & Cordain & Taubes & Volek & Naiman & Bikman ) #38

You might be surprised. People have been telling it to me from about -25lbs. More folks are saying it now. No one that I’d actually like to look like, mind you, but I take it as a compliment and move on. And it’s an NSV every time someone says it.

With the right attitude, it’s definitely something to look forward to.

(Alec) #39

Kyle
I think you’ve nailed it here. I have been wondering what is different here compared to previous diets (that I firmly believed in at the time). I think it is that I am consistently full on this diet. I am consistently eating fantastically flavoured food, except when I am fasting, and during that time I get fasters high. Where’s the motivation to go back to sugar? I can’t see it at the moment. The only thing I miss in any way is fruit (I grow fruit, and I love(d) eating my own home grown fruit).

I am kinda hoping that when I get to target weight my metabolism will be fixed enough to be able to eat more fruit and it not be an issue. But fruit, alas, will now be tarnished forever by the knowledge about fructose and its metabolism only in the liver. So it will be small portions of fruit, not the fruit binges I used to do.
Cheers
Alec

(Carol Kopp) #40

I wonder if our idea of an ideal weight has changed over the last decade or two. If you look around your local mall a fair percentage of the patrons are packing extra weight, the average has definitely gotten higher. So, some of this might be that your starting look smaller than the average. Good for you!

Another thing I was thinking, when you are on one of those, “other diets” it’s hard to get down to your BMI especially the lower end because you can’t wait to get off the frigging diet! So, Keto makes it easier to imagine or to actually continue to lose beyond pudgy. If you are not familiar with Keto it’s probably almost impossible to understand. I’ve been amazed at some of the before and after pictures I’ve seen of people, just how slim they are. Looks good to me!

(Empress of the Unexpected) #41

The befores and afters on this forum are amazing! Face completely changes, they all look younger. Our ideal has changed. My grandmother grew up in upstate New York. (I’m 60 so that was a long time ago!) She said she never saw an overweight person until she moved to Los Angeles in the 60’s. And they were only a bit pudgy then.