I found this as a big interest in learning new stuff about chol. and its property. throwing out in general forum for info
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Geezy56
(Geoffrey)
#2
Just one more reason to avoid seed oils. Just knowing what they were invented for and how theyāre made was enough to turn me off.
Fangs
#3
yea cause before this more indepth video about how plant sterols wreck the body I gotta say I would allow eating a bit when out and about and forced to eat zc at restaurant etc. I mean I never use seed oils for me at home anymore ever, but if out and I bought chicken wings, I would not ask if they were fried in seed oil. I would order and eat.
Now I am going to control it even tighter down to no seed oils. Darn that means watching big time how I have to order out and eat but it is always worth it to me to control what I wanna put into this olā body 
I always said soda and cereal were THE most useless food on the planet, I am gonna add a third and say all seed oils also LOL
I knew they were nasty, but not this darn nasty!!
Goldengirl52
(Denise)
#4
Hmm 
I was recommended using Sunflower ābutterā in a recipe for fat-bombs. I donāt make them often but now I am wondering about SB and whether I should use it or not. I havenāt listened to the video yet, Iām being super quiet as I had insomnia again, donāt want to wake my neighbors. Also, I am wondering about the Grapeseed oil I bought to use on my skin, anyway, Iāll check it out as well, but I luckily never thought of cooking with it.
Oh crap, Iāve seen this, so gross at first, Iāll watch again though, maybe more will sink in this time. I eat Flaxseed and Chia Seeds too, 1 Tsp each in on top of my omelettes. Probably stop doing that 
PaulL
(Bacon is a many-splendoured thing)
#5
Why not substitute real butter? Itās a traditional food for a reason, and was used long before olive oil became a foodstuff five hundred years ago. The ancient Greeks and Romans cooked with butter, lard, and tallow. They used olive oil as a lamp fuel and a skin treatment, not as food. And they lacked the technology to refine seed oils, so those werenāt even in the picture.
Goldengirl52
(Denise)
#6
Your timing is perfect Paul, I was looking around online, and wondering how to stop using EVOO as well as any seed oils. Yes, butter will work fine!! Iām going to also try and stop eating the peanuts and Walnuts because wouldnāt that same apply to them as they have the oils made from them?
Good video but didnāt have any replacement-recommends, I still love listening to Dr. Paul Mason though
Fangs
#7
well you said something very interesting about youā¦you need to watch it again! THAT IS always fine when we get hit with big azz medical info and kinda say, WTH??? LOL I had to watch it a few times also
key being is a tad of what you do use seed oils for ok with you in the end, I mean vs what life is out there on crap food and who we are eating now, is that amt ok? Or do we find this as a dump the whole darn lot of this crappy seed oil and we feel ok doing just that?
TAKE YOUR time on how ya wanna roll and what it means to you personally. THAT is all we ever can do for sure.
So as we see āthis stuffā out there we as individuals will gauge our own perspective on what we feel comfortable with, but I get your post and the feelings behind it.
BUT LIKE Paul said, find subs. real butter, real bacon fat, real beef fat, real chicken fat, can any of this do what the plant oils are doing for ya?
Available only then. Now processed any plant oil is on the buy shelf! 
I am SO glad you watched this cause I know this is something you can handle knowledge wise and what are your thoughts on it all?
kib1
(KM)
#8
A lot of how well we can implement that choice depends on the rest of our lifestyle, too. Truthfully I donāt think itās possible to eat in a restaurant, no matter how upscale you go, and not be exposed to seed oils. That is simply what goes on the grill for any meat, or burger, or even bacon, or an omelet. No one is cooking in butter, itās got too low a smoke point for a commercial operation, and the other animal fats are too rare. If oneās a ketovore itās even worse - salad dressings, ābutteredā vegetables, ācheeseāā¦
I agree that in nearly any case itās technically possible to bring your own clean protein, but life sure tries to get in the way of that!
PaulL
(Bacon is a many-splendoured thing)
#10
Iāve watched videos by Dr. Mason ever since he first discovered keto, and the growth in his knowledge has been fascinating to watch. He has gotten deeply into the research and really grasps the implications. He is not afraid to express his opinions, but unlike Dr. Chaffee (whom I also like a lot), he is more careful to distinguish his opinions from the known facts.
PaulL
(Bacon is a many-splendoured thing)
#11
If thatās our only exposure to seed oils, however, itās probably okay to eat out, especially infrequently. As you say, the realities of our lives determine a lot of this. A lot of this also depends on where we are coming from. Eating at McDonaldās can be a vast improvement for many people, and we shouldnāt let our desire for perfection keep us from trying for improvements.
Dr. Lustigās mantra, āJust eat real food,ā is helpful, because it reminds us of where we are heading. However, perhaps we donāt stress enough that the first and most essential step in keto is bringing down the carb intake, so that insulin can drop. The rest comes as we really get into this way of eating. Once we discover what our foods are doing to us, it becomes easier to make changes.
kib1
(KM)
#12
Thatās why I said it depends on our lifestyle. For some of us, itās a matter of rolling our eyes and putting up with the bi-annual Crisco on the steak. But itās easy to forget that many people, especially those with busy lives or bustling careers, may eat out multiple times a week.
Goldengirl52
(Denise)
#13
I wish Iād saved the video where he literally cracks up the whole audience, including me. The one where the doctors wanted a guy on statins (pretty sure it was statins) and he showed the picture show the amount of fat, or lack thereof 
in the guys body?? LOL! That was the first of Dr. Mason Iād seen
Goldengirl52
(Denise)
#14
My issue is more āmentalā Iām afraid:rofl: I donāt trust people I donāt know at all preparing my food. When Iām out walking around lunch-time, I almost gag walking by our Senior Center where they send out Meals on Wheels. No, itās not a 4 star restaurant, but I canāt think just because someone rich owns a restaurant everything is perfectly safe to eat. Just call me Adrian Monk 
kib1
(KM)
#15
I didnāt mean that a fancy restaurant would necessarily be more sanitary or a less expensive one would be dirty, though. What Iām saying is that no matter how much youāre willing to spend to get food that fits your eating pattern, as a clean carnivore you probably wonāt find it out in the wide world. In other words, you can eat at McDonalds and theyāre going to be putting a seed oil on the burger. Or you can eat at Ruthās Chris ā¦ and theyāre going to be putting a fancy seed oil marinade on the $90 steak.
Goldengirl52
(Denise)
#16
That wasnāt a personal statement I made, itās how I feel about restaurants, nothing to do with your personal interests
Shinita
#18
Of course. Why would you? I donāt do it either.
But itās easy for me as I never eat out these days. I do eat chicken made with a little sunflower oil at a relative about once a monthā¦ My body can handle it, I donāt want to bring my own food all the time.
Once I counted and I suppose I have eaten about one tonne sunflower oil in my lifeā¦ It is the number one cooking oil here and well, we cooked fatty and ate little meat and lots of vegs, vegs need a lot of added fat if you ask meā¦ The processed items had it tooā¦ One. Tonne. Oh my god. I was only 35 when I stopped (well, I donāt cook with it myself. I do eat some but itās very little).