Day 12, still battling with the changeover symptoms from 3 years keto to animal foods only. Body aches have somewhat eased but I have a terrible headache! I will not give up because I know what lies on the other side is worth it Taking electrolytes, salt, water, milk thistle. Had cold chicken, liverwurst, cold bacon and a hard boiled egg for lunch. Yum! Sometimes I like tinned herring or sardines as well.
@LizinLowell My “changeover” took around 2 months and I was really surprised because I had been strict keto for 3 years before starting carnivore! I dumped a lot of oxalates and had the headache symptoms off and on during that time. This yucky stuff will pass!
Your lunch sounded good and bacon, hot or cold, is always a win. I’ve been thinking about tinned sardines lately. What brand do you like?
@LizinLowell I can empathise. This challenge has been real. I’m going through headaches and joint pain again these last few days. They come in waves, with calm in between. I even get teeth pain, which is different than tooth ache, it is sharp pain like a needling into the tooth. I think of, my online health guru, JP Sears and his celery juice detox video day 6 where he has all the ill symptoms and is overjoyed because it means his celery cleanse is working. Today, Saturday, I woke up at 9:30am! Slept so deep for almost 12 hours.
Yesterday felt off colour and it was a hot, humid summer’s day
I didn’t feel like eating but it was midday and I had a meeting looming at 1pm
Ate 2 eggs scrambled in butter with tinned tuna and some seaweed
Black coffee with MCT oil
As is normal metabolism, I felt hungry enough when I started eating due to first phase insulin release. But on reflection, I could have not eaten.
The meeting went well.
Hot work day on the block after the meeting. The surf was no good but the ocean was calling for a swim. This is the time of year when the large white sharks are closer to shore. It’s the start of the late summer salmon run and those schools attract the 2m sharks that attract the dangerous 4m sharks.
I found a nectaplum on the ground in the food forest. It was blushed, sun warm and delicious. Paleo carnivore man would not walk past a food offering like that.
I drank litres of rain water and sweated buckets. Plenty of pink salt on my dinner.
6pm dinner. Did feel hungry.
300g scotch fillet steak
17 tiger prawns pan fried in butter
20g dark chocolate as could feel oxalate dumping* so I rationalised the eating. I really don’t think it helped at all. It was just in the fridge. It just confirms to me not to have any of those addiction foods in the house. Clean eating needs a clean home environment. As Fangsy might point out, it could also be a factor of the fruit. We just don’t know unless eating is kept on plan. All the supposition is wasted thinking, and the practical thing is to stay on plan.
Biomarker notes. Both Yesterday’s and today’s morning fasting blood glucose was 5.9mmol/l (106) and blood ketones 0.1mmol/l. I find these higher blood glucose levels and low ketones when in these dumpings.
I like to think of them as dumpings in the surfing context, when the metabolic wave gets hold of your health outside of all one’s planned manoeuvres and throws you down for a bit of a turbulent struggle.
Ahhh, another sardine gal. Love it. I like them too. I literally know exactly when I want them. I stop, say ‘I need sardines’ and eat up a tin and feel so good afterward. Not sure why I need them when I do but they come in handy as a go to food for me when I want them. I don’t want them that often now, I used to eat a lot of them, but when I want them, I want them
Great report. Adaption time stinks for all of us. Just take your time and treat any symptoms mildly and what is on the other side of detox is a wonderful great world of health for you
Great update FB.
I know I sound like a broken record a lot of times but it is so true that one can’t comment on the carnivore way of eating unless they are doing it. No plant material allowed LOL You know a caveman guy would walk by that fruit if he was stuffed on eating mammoth meat and had leftover meat. A full belly is a full belly no matter what decade we are chatting about.
Thing is we can have all kinds of changes as we progress in zero carb.
I did. I would love one meat and eat the heck out of it, like living on chicken wings and thighs and then dumping them and never wanting another wing or thigh in my life…and eating what I hated to eat now, skinless boneless chicken breast. I mean tell me years ago it would go down like that and I would have told you heck, no way LOL but it did and it still leaves me wondering a bit on why the body changes so much on zero carb. I think it is so truly natural and healing that our body tells us all the time what it wants. I think with the brain fog that lifts we listen so much more to our body’s signals.
I was inhale bacon like it was candy. Now my bacon consumption is way down. I also don’t ‘do bacon’ on the side like before. When I want bacon I tend to fry up the whole lb. and eat it all and done with it for a while after that.
Then I found detox times strange for me. Around month 7-8 I was so energized and woke up SO exhausted. Could barely move. Thought oh heck this is gonna take me down this weirdo zero carb eating, but held firm and napped a lot and woke up like 3 weeks better healthier than I ever was. Never happened again tho which is fine by me but I never had any idea why that happened?
I ‘feel’ food in my body now. I ‘feel’ what meats/seafoods give me the best of the best and the meats etc that kinda leave me hanging. I know me now thru this journey.
oh man I got to rambling a bit…LOL talking zero carb can do that to me HAHA
great post FB
food yesterday was
10 oz ribeye steak
2 small chicken breasts
1/3 lb. cheeseburger patty
salt chat again. I find I am salting less and not truly thinking about it.
I noticed last time I salted my ribeye heavy I got some stomach burn after. Lately I am letting up on the salt shaker and that little tummy burn is gone. I think I need to cut back salt as I am doing cause I find it is just better for my tummy and not working against it. I only get this little tummy burn if I oversalt food and it is a direct line for me on that one. So salt again is in my sights. I know Bob went no salt pretty darn quick. I tried and notice now I am more involuntarily working toward way less salt in my day than ‘attacking using less salt’ as a forced issue for me. So that is cool, I am more naturally walking away from salt now and I think that might be why I was walking away from bacon more over these last months. I think bigger sodium is messing with me now. I don’t think my body wants it like it did. So final thought is just follow my natural wants for my body, follow when it says eat up or start to drop by the wayside, salt is slowly dropping by the wayside for me. huh…being such a salt addict truly I never thought I saw this one coming also in a natural progression for me. cool.
Ok thanks for sharing your similar experience! I’ll hang in there. Meanwhile, ouch!
I’m realizing now I’ve always eaten King Oscar sardines drenched in olive oil but now I guess I’ll need to skip the olive oil & get them in water? The Bar Harbor tinned fish I like is in water and very tasty.
Thanks for the kind commiseration! Sorry you suffer too. I saw all your symptoms in your posts, the pins & needles, the flaky skin, etc. I had achey joints & tooth sensitivity which has eased mostly (a strong reminder of how I used to feel all the time pre-Keto!!). I can’t believe you’ve braved the transition more than once, it’s worse than the time I quit coffee imo! Lol I’ll never do that again I hope you can get past the symptoms soon & enjoy the rewards.
My addiction is intense so yeah, I have to live in an environment without any of the foods I might rationalize eating when my addictive brain is in charge. Luckily my family is all Keto so it’s much easier, I feel for you!
I find the less wiggle room of animal foods ONLY has made it easier to stay on plan. Keto has a lot of wiggle room for my bad decisions to work with heh
Love your rambling!! I learn so much
Thank you for the kind encouragement! I’m a believer and I’m sticking it out. I want improved skin, better mental health, a leaner look, and no carb cravings. So far I’m getting little bits of all of that! Very exciting
That was me on atkins. I did old school 1972 atkins and only thrived on ‘induction phase’ and learned I could drop the ‘little salad or pickle’ he put on the list of food to eat and flourished on all meat and seafood, as much as I wanted. I never knew back then it ‘was a plan called zero carb’ HAHA When I tried to walk the carb ladder back up as recommended I couldn’t do it. My ‘wiggle room’ just sent me into a nightmare of vicious ‘dieting insanity’ again and again. That is how I walked this way.
Key thing is it took me a very long time to learn me and what I needed and where I thrived…and I fought it darn it…tooth and nail cause I wanted to eat crap I like, I mean who doesn’t, but in the end I had to face of truth of me. Where I belonged and where I flourished without a dieting nightmare of insanity tagged along with it. Zero carb gave that to me and of course being a meat and seafood hound to the ultimate made that happen easier than I would have thought coming this way in my path.
just take the time it is for you. take the time to know you. know what works for you and not against you and how you feel your best at all times. that is all we can do for ourselves in the end if we truly want to follow that line…go for it and rock it out and live live live darn good on zero carb! LOL
@LizinLowell I’ve got a King Oscar can of sardines in water at the ready for my meal later on today. I’ll let you know how they are. Before carnivore I also ate fish in olive oil so now I need to find new favorites of tinned fish that are packed in water instead. Tinned fish come in handy when an emergency shows up and one has to have something ‘safe’ to grab and go with. I haven’t tried the Bar Harbor tinned fish in water. Thank you for the info.
@FrankoBear YES! I’ve observed that these oxalate dumps come in waves too, but I never thought about connecting a higher glucose reading with one of those dumps. Interesting! I had bad teeth and gum pain at the beginning of my carnivore journey but that hasn’t returned so far.
@Fangs You don’t sound like a broken record to us! Those of us just starting, and having to deal with detox issues, really appreciate your posts cause they are so informative and encouraging! Reddit has some carnivore websites and the other day there was a thread full of carnivores who’ve been at this a while explaining how our bodies will continue to heal. One guy lost all of his floaters after a year of eating carnivore. Floaters are another health issue, among many others, that I am excited to see leave as I continue the carnivore/PKD way. You just keep on reminding us, Fangs.
@LizinLowell Liz, I tried the King Oscar sardines in water today and they were good. This is the “bone in” sardines. I haven’t tried the boneless but I didn’t even notice any bones today and the calcium is 30%.
hey R, when you copied that part of my post saying I hope I don’t sound like a broken record etc…I read it and it comes off like others don’t have good info. In that I say one can’t comment on this way of eating unless they do it, but I should also point out that so many walk that keto plan/extreme low carb way of eating and they also have monster great info about diet truths/experiences and such. But I also feel that without doing the true 100% all in carnivore experienced results one gets thru eating this way are so very different than other people’s plans ya know. If a person wants to chat up carnivore experiences they just have to be on the plan for real ya know LOL I am always amazed when keto people who are very tight/narrow/controlled in their eating come over onto a carnivore plan and have to detox and they think, wow, why? and then they find new great results pretty fast and I think…that is so cool. That smaller difference of plant eating and no planting eating can actually just show such great results to many.
oh heck rambling again on that HAHA
Floaters? Eye floaters? Someone is saying that they are improving and fixing eye floaters? I never heard of that one. I have some of that. I wish those suckers would go away. I been carnivore for a long while and I haven’t gotten that benefit. Well more meat and seafood for me and fingers crossed. That would be a great benefit to receive
food yesterday was
10 oz ribeye steak
1/2 lb. cheeseburger patty
1 cup taco seasoned meat
holy cow I ate that taco seasoned meat and darn near died. Family wanted tacos for dinner. I made a lot of meat for them with their tortilla shells and all that mess…and I thought ‘why not?’ It is just a spice, it tasted great, haven’t had it in ages and I went for it. I measured out about a cup of it and sprinkled a bit of cheddar on it…yum, spice taste was so interesting and almost addicting and I ate my cup of meat and did great…til about 1 hr later. WOW…the tummy burned! And it burned hard!! I had to eat TUMS. A few of them. And then of course I just felt ‘off’ for a while. I mean it didn’t totally destroy me but real fast my gut said, wow what is this crap?
You know I wondered if this taco spice was gonna nail me before I ate it. I hemmed and hawed a bit on do I truly want to eat this…cause when family wanted tacos in the past, I would make dinner and maybe sometimes I would take a spoonful and taste it and of course I did fine on a spoonful of meat and spice. I can on relaxed carnivore, I can do a few spices if they suit me and even tho this taco spice taste used to suit me well in a bite of it…oh heck no now in any type of quantity.
So I paid with a flipped up burning tummy for a little bit and TUMS saved me on that one. So now I know. Stay away from spicy taco spice and that is out the door and will never be eaten again by me.
I pushed my comfort zone on spice like that and it got me but without trying it and eating about a cup of it, I learned a spoonful I can handle, any quantity more and I go down. Well…a little experiment on me I learned my results on it. Taco spice taste is not a huge draw for me at all, never was, so I will have no troubles at all never eating this crap again LOL
So the next time I think, oh heck why not, it is just a small amt. of spice, hmm, I will think a lot harder on it HAHA
You know I dropped buffalo sauce from my life. I was an avid buffalo sauce wing eater. Ate so much of it til one day I ate the buffalo wings and my stomach starting to go sour on me. It was like my body thru the years was finally not allowing the ‘spicer’ type things in my body anymore. So one day when I ate buffalo sauced wings again I could only eat a few and my tummy went mad at me real fast and I realized buffalo sauce was going to have to be dropped. And I dropped it. Haven’t had it in years now. I know now I will put taco spices right up there with buffalo sauce Hey it is cool. I know now ya know…I wonder what I can push on spice/herbs and so far I am noticing anything on that spicy end of the spectrum my stomach doesn’t want to handle anymore. Hey I am cool with it
woke up feeling fine, those Tums fixed me. I didn’t get sick etc on any of it truly, just ‘off’ and now I know. Hey sometimes days go down like this it is what it is LOL
So that was my weird eating yesterday and something I learned from.
I seem to do ok with buffalo sauce (in the minute quantities that I eat), but I agree with the taco seasoning. No bueno!
I ate ground bison last week. I got it on sale and was excited to try it. But it really just tasted like ground beef lol
@ReneeRC Ok thanks for the review! My grocery didn’t have King Oscar in water, so I got the sardines in water Bar Harbor offers, never tried them. I’ll report back next time my sardine urge hits lol. I like them bone-in.
Well my 4-day headache finally went away! Had an issue with my tummy last night but I know that’s to be expected now & then. No problem today. I still don’t feel 100% up to snuff but so much better that I can ride the rest of it out.
At the restaurant for Valentine’s lunch the waitress said “So you just want the steak, in the middle of a plate? That’s it?” I said “Yep! Oh wait, put a pat of butter on it”
Thanks for letting us know! I wondered too
yesterday food was
12 oz ribeye steak
1/2 lb. cheeseburger patty
can of tuna
I am going back to basics. My beef, tuna/sardines, little normal cheese and my shrimp etc. I am SO OVER the extra crap LOL and want super simple and very very basic again and doing just that.
all good and feeling wonderful!
bone in sardines
Simple day yesterday but sooooo good.
omgosh so funny…I read your post and thought it was mine…haha
I don’t eat Canadian bacon but my hubby loves it…I bought it the other day for him…when I saw that on the food list I thought, I didn’t eat that and realized it was your food for the day…I just saw that ribeye at the top of the list and thought me…lol…funny