Carnivore claims about plant foods


#302

I think if you insult someone’s species, they very much have an interest in the topic. You’re lucky if all they do is politely ask you for some sort of reasons for your blanket hatred of them, their family, and anything related to you, rather than just attacking you outright or trying to publicly expose you for a bigot. They are likely trying to be as charitable to you as possible for them in attempting, instead, to use reason to sway you from your hatred, and to deter others from such unfounded hatred. If you won’t even give the attempt of either apologizing for your remarks against their species or supporting what you believe is true, they are being continually more patient with you than you are with them. Indeed, by ignoring them you are rather clearly increasing the insult by deeming them, and presumably their entire species, unworthy of even speaking to or justifying your hatred of them to.

And calling a troll a troll is absolutely name calling too, which is against the community guidelines explicitly.


#304

Valid point, but it may be of interest here to note that the creator of the comic says that interpretation is not what was originally intended.

The sea lion character is not meant to represent actual sea lions, or any actual animal. It is meant as a metaphorical stand-in for human beings that display certain behaviors. Since behaviors are the result of choice, I would assert that the woman’s objection to sea lions — which, if the metaphor is understood, is read as actually an objection to human beings who exhibit certain behaviors — is not analogous to a prejudice based on race, species, or other immutable characteristics.


(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #305

I do not like thee, Doctor Fell,
The reason why – I cannot tell;
But this I know, and know full well,
I do not like thee, Doctor Fell.


(Chris) #306

How the hell does one construe that comic as racist? You’re baiting, bro.


(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #307

But very politely, notice.


#308

No one said racist, though certainly that would be a reasonable analogy.

Intentional or not, I’m going to have to side with the sea lion because of what is actually presented.


(Chris) #309

Bigoted vs. a species.

Because you are also a sea lion? Am I bigot now?


(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #310

Folks, this is arguing in circles again. Is there anything left to say on the original topic, or should I simply lock the thread?


#311

Bigoted vs a species would be speciest in colloquial tongue, unless you consider different ‘races’ to be different species (which, sure, some do. I vehemently disagree with them, but some do).

Why would I have to be a member of a group to have empathy for the group and take their side? I certainly don’t live by the mantra of only considering my own interests in all matters.


(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) closed #312