Can't get into ketosis

(Alan Johnstone) #21

Oh ok. Thanks. I thought to be considered to be in ketosis it was above 0.5.

(Alan Johnstone) #22

Sorry. That was a typo
74% fat 21% pro 5% carb

(Alan Johnstone) #23

Thank you for the lengthy reply.
I am measuring my ketones with blood strips. Yes I am pretty good with measuring my carbs and nearly all are from vegetables. I use myfitnesspal and also double check with packages or info on the next.
On the topic of insulin resistant this could be a case. I am into the gym and for years I would have around 80g or more of pure carbs (basically sugar) while I train so this could have affected my resistance I suppose?
I will have a look at his info. Thank you.
I measured 0.5 today and haven’t had electrolyte drink or preworkout.

(icky) #24

Hey Ron, well people have stated to me “Keto is diuretic” but when I asked how/ why no one could tell me. I’m trying to understand the mechanisms instead of just a general statement like “Keto is diuretic” because, for me as a TOFI, I’m not finding Keto to be diuretic, so there must be more complexity to it.

And yeah, conversation will always be partly flawed. That’s part of the fun of being human :smile:

But like here, we usually get there in the end :blush: :+1:t3:

(Ron) #25

Have you read this yet?
https://blog.virtahealth.com/weight-loss-ketogenic-diet/

(icky) #26

I have now, thank you! Very helpful article.

And it led me on to this one:

https://blog.virtahealth.com/sodium-nutritional-ketosis-keto-flu-adrenal-function/

Which is pretty amazing and explains more about salt and keto than anyone ever wanted to know, haha :smile:

Seriously, tho, some pretty amazing detail and excellent explanations.

I’ll be sharing this article when these questions arise.

(Terence Dean) #27

I just bought a Ketone blood tester, and so far none of my tests have gone higher than 0.4mmol/L. I tested first thing in the morning and it was 0.2, I immediately did a moderate 20 minute walk tested again and raised it to 0.3mmol/L and then tested again later in the afternoon and that one was 0.4mm0l/L. I guess that means I’m not losing as much salt as other people. Funnily enough the Blood Glucose and Ketone monitor I have says Blood keytone is expected to be below 0.6mm0l/L, so they obviously don’t take into account Ketogenic diets.

(Marshall Taylor) #28

Hey man,

I’m newish to the keto lifestyle, but I sit right at the 1.5 - 2.3ish mmol range on the keto mojo. I am pretty strict, although my protein is closer to the 25-30% range which knocks down my numbers after a meal for a few hours. I had incorporated Nitraflex before my work outs and it knocked me out of ketosis (mojo read “lo”). Don’t know why. The bottle says 1gram of carbs. Don’t know if It’s a chemical reaction or what. However, once I stopped with Nitraflex and went to a keto pre workout, I’m right back to where I was consistently.

So I don’t know why, but that was an issue I had and that was how I corrected it. Hope this helps.

(Stephanie Flores) #29

Hi
I’m new and started intermittent fasting with the 16 hour/8 hour program. I am also a Zipfizz daily drinker. Can I drink it within my 16 hour fasting window? I wake up in the mornings and usually have it as my coffee as I hate coffee. My concern is that the label says zero sugars but I understand it has some sucralose. Can that stop my fasting?

(LeeAnn Brooks) #30

I have one per day while IM, but if I’m doing EF, I try to avoid it and use the electrolyte drink recipie on this forum.

(kim) #31

Tdean
I just started Aug 1 2018 and so I am four weeks in and every morning my ketone blood tester is only .2 and only gets up to .6 in the evening. I am being so strick on using myfitness pal and not letting my carbs go over 20Gm and my Proteins go over 60 grams. I very discouraged. I am not taking any supplements, but find I can’t to an 18 hour fast because I feel so light headed in the morning. I am going from 9pm to 9am on the fast but that is the longest I can go. I haven’t added any exercise yet and I am post menopausal. Were you ever able to get your ketones any higher? Any one else have any advise to get my ketone test higher?

(Stephanie Flores) #32

What is IM and EF? sorry i’m new to all of the lingo. thank you

(LeeAnn Brooks) #33

Sorry, that should be IF and EF.

IF- intermittent fasting. For me that means two meals a day. Occasionally 1.

EF- extended fasting. Or fasting longer than 24 hours.

(Terence Dean) #34

Hi @kkcarroll10 Kim don’t be discouraged because of your Ketone readings, that post you responded to is an old one of mine and I am well adapted now. The time touted around on these forums to become fat adapted is about 6-8 weeks for most people , mine took 10-12 weeks. I don’t know exactly when it happened because by that time I’d stopped testing.

So yes, you are doing well, keeping carbs on or below 20g is the best way to get the body to change over to metabolizing fat. Keep it up and it will naturally occur, no need to panic, just relax, your body will adapt in its own good time.

Once you become fat adapted, you can experiment with the amount of carbs you can tolerate, I’m able to push them up to 50g a day and still be in Nutritional Ketosis. That enables a bit more flexibility in terms of what you can eat.

(Bunny) #35

Your not in a “slump” those numbers are fine!

You want them low because it means your actually burning your own fat! :wink:

Old post but thought I would comment anyway!

(Consensus is Politics) #36

I think if a person was just starting keto, and were to see in real-time ketone levels, they might see the following. Ketones start out really really low initially. Then later (hours, days, maybe even weeks later) see a sudden spike in ketones. And as the ketones get used for fuel they go up and down dramatically. Eventually the body comes to an equilibrium of making and burning. Probably (my opinion) making excess by just a small amount to always be in a surplus. And those just go out in urine as unspent.

I worked in a nano-fiber factory in 2005. I was introduced to PID controllers there. I had no idea they existed prior to this and I fell in love with the concept. Once I felt comfortable with my understanding of them I made suggestions to the engineer and the owner about making them work better by tweaking the algorithm they used. PID (proportional, integral, derivative). In my example we were using it to control the rise of heat in a plastic resins that went through nearly a kilometer of pipes. There were heaters spaced out all along the way that kept it at a desired 230 centigrade. The process would go up and down wildly, as it wouldn’t shut off power until it hit 230 degrees. But the heat was still there and it would go as high as 260, turning the product to carbon. Standard procedure became slowly, manually, increasing the heat so that wouldn’t happen. Took about an hour. My idea was tweaking the algorithm so the PID controller (a windows computer, running the algorithm on a proprietary spreadsheet) could start lowering the heat on its own. Think taking your car on the freeway. You give it a lot of throttle to get going up the on ramp, and the closer you get to freeway speed the less gas you give it until you hit say, 70 mph. But an experienced driver would do this without dropping below 70 or going above 70. Not by much anyway, maybe +/- 1.
[indeed a long winded example]

This is analogous to how our bodies work. Once the body gets used to what it’s doing, feed back loops begin to work themselves out. Becoming fat adapted is our body burning what it needs to, and wasting a minimal amount. If you could measure your ketones in real-time, I think you would see a PID like wine-wave. [edit: really iPhone auto correct? Wine-wave? That ofcorse should be sine wave] Where the sine wave gets dramatically smaller in each cycle leading to a pretty much flat line. In my example of nano-fiber, I managed to get that controller to being the temperature to flat line without going over temp by more than 5 degrees.

(I also used basic science skills to show them how to cure a static electricity problem they had, after I discovered it by getting hit with a 3 foot long lightning bolt. 36 inches time 25kv per inch 900,000 volts. I couldn’t move my arm for about 10 minutes. I was pissed. I was ready to quit, that was my first day!)

(Harry) #37

Try supplement Lysine and Lucine. It did the trick for me in 2 days. I took 2 tablespoon of Lucine 90 minutes after eating dinner. I was unable to get into Ketosis for 3 weeks before taking this supplement.

(Terence Dean) #38

@Harry that’s an old post, it takes at least 6-8 weeks to become fat adapted, experts like Dr Stephen Phinney say its more like 9-12 weeks which is how long it took for me. If you’re consistently keeping carbs low (20-30g), protein moderate your body will adapt, it just takes time. You may be able to artificially raise ketones with supplements and other tricks but having ketones in your blood is not an indicator that your body knows how to use them efficiently.

(Harry) #39

Thanks a lot tdean, I had almost given up on Keto :frowning_face:

Yes, that is what i noticed, i had ketones in my body but my body was not using them at all. I am a diabetic and my blood sugar was high even on ketones. Looks like i need to give this more time.

Something weird is that if I drink like 3 glasses of cabernet then I am in full ketosis the next day and my blood sugar is low as well. I have no idea why

regards

(Terence Dean) #40

No don’t give up Harry, you’re doing fine man. I did what they call lazy keto for the first 17kgs of weight loss, that’s just keeping carbs at or close to 20g a day, eating protein to a moderate level, and eating fat to satiety. Then I became fat adapted and hit a stall so that’s when I had to do the research for why that happened. Plenty of good folks here will help you out with any questions you might have, Keep Calm and Keto On!

I’m not diabetic but there are plenty of people here who are and they are in a better position to advise than me. All the best on your journey.