Not all kids have that initial hit. My two youngest would leave their cake largely uneaten to get back into playing at birthday parties, they just thought the cake was too sweet. I think it stems from many years of limited sweets and sugar at home in their younger years.
Calorie restriction?
ODE
#84
The reaction is same for everyone as rob said, sugar to the reward circuit activates same area in the brain as meth does, which gives u the sugar rush. Taste buds develop differently, for example my girl cant eat too much sweet stuff and loves salty things, also often needs to balance different foods with salty sides.
For OP, if u consistantly gain weight over weeks, u eat too much. Eat to satiety and less than maintain (inc. workouts). Eat more veggies and drink carbonated drinks if u feel like u need to eat more.
goohsmom
(PSackmann)
#85
Addiction is a funny thing, and we’re all different. Not everyone’s pleasure center/reward circuit reacts as strongly to sugar as to meth, in fact not everyone’s reward circuit reacts to meth in the same way. Some people can take or leave meth but can’t walk past a bakery without going in for something. Others can walk past the same bakery but can’t stop after their first cigarette. Some people shouldn’t be allowed to have HSN and/or QVC available for them, while others equate shopping to root canals. I’m not denying that most children go after sweet flavors, or that many become addicted to food with added sugars, just not everyone.
ODE
#86
There sure is differences in people with so many variables in play. I think that the baseline physiological effect is around same for all. The magnitude of the reaction from body afterwards and what our minds want to do with it depending on persons psychology, then decides if ur going to take more or not.
Happyheart
(Wendy)
#87
One question I have is there nutrients in our stored fat or can our body use our own fat to transport the nutrients that the fats we eat do?
I don’t know the answer to this. I eat fats partly for the satiety and to modify how much protein I would be eating if I didn’t, and I eat it for the nutrition it brings and supports.
Just some thoughts to ponder.
Q66
(KetoQ)
#89
I averaged 2200 calories per day for 6 months and lost 63 lbs (302 to 239). It was a balanced and pleasureble way to lose weight. When I was hungry, I ate keto friendly foods and kept carbs to an average of 50/day.
I don’t mean to sound like a dick, but unless you are a very petit woman, 800 calories per day for six months, and a 1700 per day maintenance may be problematic long term.
That level of caloric intake is more severe restriction than the Minnesota Starvation Experiment, in which the starvation part was 1600 calories a day for six months.
Add to that the findings from the Biggest Loser Study, where they calorie restricted to 1200/day, significantly lowered their metabolisms and in all but one case gained all the weight back and more.
Calorie restriction will help you lose quick weight – and there is nothing wrong with that. But doing it long term is not a good weight management strategy. It will lead to lowered metabolism and overeating.
CampWoman
#91
I couldn’t be bothered about calories. My keto journey has been heavily influenced by my husband and his ups and downs learning about his body for years before we met. He’s always taught me that I didn’t need to pay too much attention to calories and so my keto journey too began.
I’ve only watched my carb, sugar and fat. This means also watching veggie intakes and types of fiber. If you love veg, this is a bit of a downer as a lot of veggies have so much carb. Since living keto for a year now, I don’t miss a lot of those veggies I used to eat (yams etc). Lately I have monitored my fats as well and streamlined my meats to leaner cuts. I don’t have any desire to really prove to anyone what the chemistry of this is but I know what my body is telling me and what I need to eat in order to feel as sharp or as clear as I do. I’m 4’11’’ and lost most of my bulk/excess fat last year in 2018 and am currently in the 120lbs range. Due to my size, I am still opting to lean out a little more but only just. Those last 5lbs means tweaking some of the levels of fat, protein and fiber.
PaulL
(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?)
#93
It depends entirely on circumstances. Activity level is one factor, and so is one’s degree of insulin-resistance, as well, I’m pretty sure. The simplest way to deal with the risk is to eat to satiety. That’s the way to be sure that the body has enough, because its hormone signaling is pretty powerful, under low-insulin conditions.
One of the reasons sugar burners are always hungry is that high insulin blocks the leptin secreted by the adipose tissue from registering in the hypothalamus, so the brain is not aware of all the energy already in storage. The other reason, of course, is that insulin is busy cramming as much glucose into adipose tissue in the form of fatty acids, so that the cells that need energy are deprived of it, and they signal that they need food.
Evolutionarily speaking, it makes sense that the body would operate this way. When times are hard, you want to hang on to your reserves for as long as possible, and not spend any energy unnecessarily. This is what is signaled by reduced calories. In times of abundance, the body can afford to spend more energy, even on non-essentials such as the reproductive system.
It also makes evolutionary sense that the cycle of feasting and fasting would not register as hard times, because hunting is by its nature a cyclical activity. The tribe could use only so much fresh meat at a time, since for some odd reason, no one has found any fridges in stone-age archaeological digs.
PaulL
(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?)
#94
That one is easy: Love is the condition where the welfare and happiness of another are essential to your own welfare and happiness. It is actually more of an action than an emotion, in my experience.
RobC
(Robert C)
#96
I think marital love is great but not very close to unconditional.
If you find out that 20 years into your marriage, you spouse has had 3 affairs in the last 10 years - that love feeling might turn strongly into the opposite.
Where I think it is strongest is with your children.
I think that they have to do many many things wrong even into adulthood before any love goes away. Even if it does, it might just be replaced with tough love - but I think, almost never, hatred.
PaulL
(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?)
#100
Well, aside from the obvious crib from Michael Pollan, the other influence on the phrasing is Benjamin Bikman of the University of Utah. His motto is
“Control carbohydrate, prioritize protein, fill with fat.”
Apart from the damage from chronic high serum insulin, his big concern is the preservation of muscle mass, so he encourages a higher protein intake than many recommend, as much as 2.0 g/kg/day. He has research showing that in the absence of carbohydrate (or very low dietary carbohydrate), there is very little concern with how much protein we eat, since the insulin/glucagon ratio remains unchanged.
We now know that gluconeogenesis from protein is demand driven, not driven by excess protein, so that is no longer a concern, and in a low-carbohydrate context, the stimulation of insulin is balanced by the stimulation of glucagon, which keeps the ratio in check and allows ketogenesis to continue unabated.
PaulL
(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?)
#102
Yeah, up till recently, it was believed that excess protein automatically got turned into glucose. Now it has become clear that gluconeogenesis is driven by demand, not by the supply of protein, so there’s less worry about how much protein is too much. Until we start showing signs of ammonia toxicity, of course! 
Happyheart
(Wendy)
#104
I love butter and bacon! And eggs!
I’m not sure how much protein I eat but consider them to be just normal portions. Whatever the ratio it has worked well for me. I lost the weight plus extra. (From 200 to 123 and was hoping for 132lbs.)
Hopefully I am also eating the healthy foods my body needs. I do take a few supplements like vitamins and magnesium.
So the real test will be how I maintain and keep healthy. I’m hoping to avoid as many metobolic diseases as I can.
Alex99
#106
Thanks to this discussions I was curious so I went and got that book. I was pleasantly surprised.
You can read it as is, very nice diagrams and explanations, great for any newbie, but for deep knowledge they also have loads of great references to source material, of course the familiar Volek, Phinney and Westman are there amongst others.
The authors of this book are not just a couple of doctors jumping on the keto wagon they have really done their homework.
Thanks Ketoloco.