Bullion cube IF and insulin response

fasting

(mark whittaker) #1

I need to get my sodium in, in the morning. But I am also IF’ing A lot of people recommend bullion cubes for this. Will the 1g of sugar and 5 cals in a bullion cube give a significant insulin response to break the fast and diminish ketosis?

if so then why is this so popular? the whole point of a fast is to keep insulin as low as possible


#2

Depends why you are fasting. If it’s for weight loss - bone broth/bullion cube are ‘helpers’ especially if you are new to fasting. Same as taking in a little bit of fat (e.g. 2 tsp - as per Dr. Fung Fasting book). Neither seems to interfere too much.
If you are fasting for autophagy - then its hard to know. There’s a lot not yet known about fasting for autophagy - but usually its ‘water’ only, or plain tea/coffee/ketoaide.


(matt ) #3

Why not just use salt if you are worried?


(Chris W) #4

No


#5

And that one too! Not thinking too straight this morning :crazy_face:Just add it to whatever you’re drinking. It’s so common place for me now - I forget its there.


(Chris W) #7

I and I would add find cubes that don’t have sugar in them it should not be hard.


(mark whittaker) #8

yeah I suppose you are right. Bullion just tastes so much better that seawater. But I will try to switch over. I have actually had a hard time finding bullion with no sugar. I will keep looking


(Chris W) #9

I start many mornings with a cup of no-sugar Beef Broth (check labels, most broth has sugar) with a healthy dose of Redmond Real Salt. The broth does have 2g of protein, so not entirely benign. This is my substitute for bullion.

Sometimes I add a bit of butter if I am seeing any dawn phenomenon BG rise. Just a bit of butter will start my BG back down, whereas water fasting will for some reason cause the BG to stay elevated until early afternoon.


(matt ) #10

I have the elevated BG too…ill try some fat and see what I get…


(mark whittaker) #11

what BG number do you consider to be “elevated”?


(Chris W) #12

My BG control is pretty good, I usually wake up to 84 mg/dl. It climbs after I get up and start moving around. If it goes above 100, I will add a touch of butter. Without adding butter, my BG might stay up around 105 until 12-1 PM.


(Jean Taylor) #13

I don’t like drinking salty water either I don’t mix salt in a bunch of water and have a big cup of it i have to drink I just get a mouth full of water dump the salt in swallow it an then wash it down with normal water… doesnt taste better but it doesnt last as long


(mark whittaker) #14

I suppose I could look into salt pills


(KCKO, KCFO 🥥) #15

Make big batches of bone broth and freeze it. There are a few instant broth products, another thread had some listed, but mostly they have too much sugar/starchy additives.

I found that mint teas help me get over any hunger signals I get in the mornings, and coffee does that too for me. YMMV.


(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #16

This is a good idea, @donjonson. It won’t help right away, but the next time you roast something with bones, just pop the leftovers into a slow cooker, cover with cold water, and let the cooker do its thing for twenty-four hours or so. You can add more water periodically if it cooks out too fast. My sister likes to add a few veggies for flavor. When everything is nicely cooked, strain out the solids, and put the liquid in containers. Freeze what you can’t drink in a day or two. It’s actually dead easy, and takes altogether about ten minutes of actual work. Don’t add salt until the cooking is over, because whatever salt there is in the meat will be concentrated by the evaporation of the water, so you don’t want to end up with broth that’s too salty to drink.