4 gelcaps, so 4 g each time. Should equate to 1 US teaspoon.
We’ll be taking more at a time to see what that does.
BHB Powder Failure, but C8 Oil for the WIN!
amwassil
(Michael - When reality fails to meet expectations, the problem is not reality.)
#42
MCT oil is sold in lots of grocery stores where it is called ‘liquid coconut oil’ or ‘coconut cooking oil’. Same stuff health food stores sell at half or less the price. I use the stuff just like any other oil, ie olive and avocado. Just be sure to get organic, cold pressed, unprocessed.
KetoCancerMom
(Cancer Fighting Ketovore :))
#43
What keeps the MCT oil from going solid, as compared to coconut oil?
Can the stuff that goes solid work just as well?
DeeCS
(Failed)
#44
I found only one at a better price on Amazon. It’s $22.90 rather than $34.94 that I paid. However, the cheaper one is only 60% c8 (caprylic acid) the rest is c10 (capric acid).
DeeCS
(Failed)
#45
The liquiid is made from the solid by a process called fractionating. It uses steam to separate out the c8 and/or c10. You would still get the c8 & c10, but at a much lower concentration.
DeeCS
(Failed)
#46
Just found this and am in the process of reading it.
https://ketosource.co/caprylic-acid-c8/
DeeCS
(Failed)
#47
coffeekittie
(Parker the crazy crone lady)
#48
I gotta say, all this science tends to make my eyes roll back into my head. In other words, I’m impressed by people like you who do dig into it. Keep going, you’re doing so much good for yourself!
DeeCS
(Failed)
#49
Lol, I’m one of those people who like to dig into things.
@KetoCancerMom
Here’s even more info on c8 from the article I linked to.
This research suggests that caprylic acid is the main contributor to elevated ketone levels in MCT oil (C8/C10). C10 shows little improvement compared to coconut oil and the control sample.
The low ketone levels in the coconut oil sample also support this. The very low caprylic acid levels present in coconut oil have little impact on ketone levels compared to the control sample. This confirms anecdotal evidence that coconut oil fails to give the feeling of ‘ketosis’ like MCT oil or caprylic acid.
It is also worth noting that all samples taken without food had a marked improvement in ketones when compared to the samples taken with breakfast (i.e. with a meal).
DeeCS
(Failed)
#50
@PaulL @CaptainKirk @SomeGuy @amwassil
Is this a concern with c8 mct oil? Emphasis is mine.
- C8 can augment meals that are higher in carbs and/or protein to reduce blood glucose spikes. This happens because insulin levels rise after ingestion of caprylic acid, due to increases in ketone production. This increases glucose clearance. Although this can vary widely from person to person.
THe article also says:
Several different names are commonly used to refer to Caprylic Acid (C8). This creates a lot of confusion, as they are not the same.
Caprylic acid’s hydrocarbon chain contains 8 carbon atoms. It can be referred to as C8 or octanoic acid. Octo, of course, referring to the number 8.
The name caprylic triglyceride or caprylic acid triglycerides are also sometimes used. These are different molecules compared to caprylic acid, which is a free fatty acid. With these triglycerides, a glycerol molecule is bound to three caprylic fatty acids.
Triglycerides break down into the C8 found in MCT oil so it is common to see the term ‘caprylic triglyceride’.
Functionally, caprylic acid and caprylic acid triglyceride are the same. The pancreas secretes an enzyme called lipase that breaks down these triglycerides. This produces three fatty acids and a glycerol molecule. Once the lipase breaks down the triglyceride oil it becomes simple Caprylic Acid. The last step is the conversion into ketones in the same way as the stand alone Caprylic Acid.
Can anyone explain the ramifications, if any, of having that glycerol melecule? Does someone taking caprylic acid triglycerides rather than straight caprylic acid need to supplement with lipase?
CaptainKirk
(Kirk Wolak)
#51
I believe C8 and C10 bypass the gut at the small intestine, and get straight into the blood to be used as immediate fuel. Effectively turning from fatty acids into ketones quickly enough. I believe they are longer lasting that way.
They boost my ketone levels when I measure!
MCT Oil can be made from coconut oil. Coconut oil contains C12 and others… Which are are no longer Medium. But @PaulL would probably be able to add…
amwassil
(Michael - When reality fails to meet expectations, the problem is not reality.)
#52
As per @CaptainKirk the shorter chain fats get into the blood faster. The longer chains require a bit more processing so take longer to get there, but last longer once they do. So I consume MCTs for fast but short duration and longer chain fats like coconut, palm, olive, avocado, dairy, lard for slower but longer duration.
DeeCS
(Failed)
#53
For what it’s worth, here are my numbers for today. I took 4 g of caprylic acid every hour and a half until the last one.
My numbers this morning before taking caprylic acid:
BG 89 / 4.9
Ketones 3.8
GKI 1.3
Dr Boz ratio 23.4
DeeCS
(Failed)
#54
@amwassil @Katiekate @barns @SomeGuy @RightNOW @CaptainKirk @coffeekittie
I did another series of tests today using Clean brand caprylic acid (C8) oil. Results are in my accountability thread here.