Bad salami and diet suggestions

(KM) #1

So, I enthusiastically chowed down on a few pieces of salami in my Mom’s darkened kitchen, only to turn the light on and realize oh boy I should not have eaten that, definite signs of mold of some sort.

I did not get lucky. Spent last night vomiting profusely. If anyone’s looking to lose 3 lb overnight, I have your answer.

I feel okay now, a little shaky and tired and I’ll do plenty of electrolyte water, but I’m wondering what to eat. (Other than “not salami”, possibly ever again.). All the general advice I come across is do the BRAT diet, which is bananas rice applesauce and toast.

Obviously none of those things are on my keto diet. Any suggestions? My four choices I suppose are full steam ahead starting with my coffee and cream, break keto and do BRAT, come up with some easier to digest keto foods, or simply fast for a few days. There’s a bag of Goldfish, a Boost and some ginger ale in the cabinet, but … Anyone? Anyone?

(Joey) #2

No great insights here, but the good news is that food poisoning typically works itself out quite quickly, so by the time you figure out the best follow up foods, you’ll likely be back to normal.

Replace your Mom’s kitchen light fixture would also be something to consider.

(KM) #3

She broke her foot 2 months ago and has been in a rehab unit across the complex. I’m squatting on and off in her actual apartment when I come to visit. I’m allowed to do it, but all the food here is 2 months old. I tossed most of it, but some things looked fine at first glance. They will be departing today! It’s also possible I have a norovirus going around, but I blame the salami, as I’m just exhausted but not feeling actively ill this morning, just not inspired by any of the fatty, spicy, meat heavy food options I brought.

#4

I fear I won’t be particularly helpful either, sorry. And best wishes!!!

That’s pretty okay for many kinds of food, I have found and eaten 13 years old food today (expired in 2012, it wasn’t a very long lasting baked food but I am adventurous when it comes to food)… I am not one to throw out food, you see. It wasn’t good and no way I would let my poor SO without a spleen eat it but well, my immune system is quite good especially if it’s about long expired or spoiled food (even so, I rarely ate spoiled food as it’s usually not nice. but happened here and there)… His immune system is superb too, by the way but one can never know without a proper big spleen and without a knowledge about potential tiny spleens… But I digress. It’s such an interesting topic though.
BUT the BRAT thing (never heard about it but I did heard the dry biscuit, boiled potatoes and whatnot when one get sick from food), that seems a sure way to get sugar poisoned , even in my case. And feeling super awful to eat that food only. But wait, I am physically unable to eat below 40-50% fat, it was true all my life… And I need high protein too… Why is it logical to anyone to eat horribly incompatible with our needs and if we ignore our normal needs for a lil while, why to eat at all…? My body isn’t into tons of carbs though I can handle them pretty well now that I keep them low on my default woe. But fat and protein still should be the main thing. The ratios may vary and the items too, of course we don’t desire the same things 100% of the time.

So, while I have no idea how one feels when eating bad food in that sense (as low-quality food and too much mixed alcohol could harm even me), when I feel bad due to food, I usually just crave black coffee and fasting. And when hungry, definitely no carbs but it’s for sugar poisoning so makes sense…
Don’t you feel what your body needs? I usually try to figure that out, my body got quite communicative since I stopped throwing all kinds of carbs in huge quantities at it.

I can relate to that. It wouldn’t necessarily keep me from staying close to carnivore myself, let alone keto… Spice, much fat and meat isn’t necessary especially short term where we can even eat low cal without harming ourselves. I know carbs are never what my body needs but you may be different.

Good luck to find a solution (or just getting better randomly)!
I would lend my sturdy constitution regarding food for a while if I could. It would be even partially selfish, I would have motivation to go back to carnivore or at least keto, things got out of hand lately and my body just refuses to get sugar poisoned like it did on low-carb. It was handy as my carby times never lasted long and it’s not like I liked carbs more than my low-carb food.

(Bean) #5

Electrolytes until something keto sounds good. Can you do dairy?

(KM) #6

I do a lot of dairy, ordinarily. The internet sez to avoid because it’s harder to digest. But Is it, for a long term ketovore like me???

I think this may be a norovirus, which is actually possibly transmitted by food. I’m feeling a bit worse as the day goes by, fever around 100 and just absolutely uninterested in any food or coffee. Fatigued, achy from the :face_vomiting:. I don’t think it’s serious, just so different and disconnected from my ordinary state of affairs. I’m following my fasting instincts for now.

(KM) #7

Yes, it’s usually a running joke between my husband and me that I can eat things that would kill ordinary humans (him, for example.). I don’t throw things out either. I have some Vietnamese spice paste that is probably older than you are. Nothing could grow in that stuff! His tastes get him out of eating anything that’s not fresh brand new. But I think I met my match here.

The BRAT thing is the idea that when you are ill, you need to eat things that are very easy on the digestive tract in terms of both content and texture. I get it but I still don’t want to eat any of that crap! Maybe I can start with some broth. Tomorrow.

(Bean) #8

The version of norovirus going around the campus where I work and hubby’s assisted living community seems lasts three days, with each day getting a little better.

Hopefully you recover quickly! Broth a good thought.

#9

I’ve wondered what would be good after a stomach bug on keto- dry toast, biscuits, banana & lemonade would’ve been a good to before… scrambled eggs should be easy on the tummy though? Maybe avocado…
Take care & hope you feel better soon !

(KM) #10

Excellent suggestion! I asked my tummy and it said yes please.

#11

But why would be carbs easy on the digestive system…? I feel heavier after eating a lot of carbs even with a ton of fat and lots of protein and those help a lot. Light food (I interpret light as it’s easy on my body and I feel light and good) is some nice fatty protein to me and the very, very light, physically comforting food is almost pure fat (and in serious cases fasting)… Carbs are heavy and push me down, making feel worse (well after some amount but pure carbs would make me suicidal or homicidal very quickly I imagine… never ate like it but sounds the worst diet ever even temporarily).
So it’s strange to me.
If we want easy texture, that’s eating sour cream, runny yolks and whipped cream :smiley: And drinking similar things :slight_smile:
I don’t know much about my digestive track, I just feel my body’s preferences in general but it surely doesn’t want sugar and starch when I am unwell. I can’t be the only one, so many people feels better on low-carb, sometimes I wonder how they feel, what they should eat when unwell… But I never even saw anyone eating those carbs when unwell, all my family members were pretty healthy on a high-fat diet all the time so they just ate normal, maybe a bit less but fatty, protein rich food… Surely sometimes we can’t handle this normal food so well but I have zero experience with that, if I can’t eat fatty protein, I probably can’t eat anything. Maybe fruits as I love them so much and they are super easy to eat but usually they just make me hungry. Not necessarily a bad thing when one doesn’t have an appetite but needs fuel…
EDIT: I talked with my SO, he has some childhood memories about eating carbs when unwell, he wasn’t sick in that way since then and considers eating just carbs abhorrent. BUT for him, carb feels easy and fat doesn’t and it makes sense to him considering digestion and he considers me the weirdo :smiley: (I am still very sure I am not alone and that only carbs are much worse than fasting for a while.)

Broth sounds good, one can make it more substantial, it’s a good gateway food for me and with no appetite, it would make me feel like something to eat with some idea what that things could be (I bet I would want poached eggs in the broth as it’s a match made in heaven and soft eggs are so easy to eat)… But if not, a little broth is still nice to have!

(KM) #12

Well God bless my amazing constitution. On the 8 hour drive home from my mother’s I finally started feeling hungry again. 2 pounds of crab legs with drawn butter courtesy of Red Lobster is probably not the recommended way to break a fast but it was great, with no side effects three hours later. Yumm!

(KM) #13

And then it said uh, no, no thank you. No. You can have this back. I still think it was a very good suggestion, I just wasn’t ready. Apparently the answer to this question - see above - was, “bury your head in a large bucket of shellfish and fat.”. Yes, I am really a Dane.

#14

Oh my… Well, whatever your body wants! I broke my longest fast ever with something much worse (not like we can say objectively what is bad, yours was clearly good just like I was fine with my choice), I don’t even understand as my tiny meal made no sense but I craved that so I ate that.

:rofl:

(KM) #15

Now I’m wondering … I didn’t eat for four days except for a few failed nibbles. I had actually contemplated doing a fast while I was there, this was just rather more rigorously enforced than I intended.

Do you think fasting still conveys the same benefits if it’s due to illness? Or does the body’s energy all go to fighting the enemy, not maintenance work? I lost 5 pounds, not gonna be able to do this again therapeutically for a while.

(Peter - Don't Fear the Fat ) #16

My experience is that food poisoning works really quickly (within 12 hours) I’ve had it 2 times from fish and an unknown food source once.
It’s pretty obvious when you experience it. Your body evacuates its contents from every available exit and at a speed I didn’t know possible!
I’d imagine ‘Mold’ covers quite a broad spectrum, some are delicious, some very toxic. Some not even destroyed by cooking!
I wouldn’t worry too much, hell I even ate vegetables for years before noticing the consequences.
Google tells me the white coating on the outside of salami is mold and considered desirable.

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(KM) #17

Did you actually read my post? I just spent four days throwing up.

(Peter - Don't Fear the Fat ) #18

No :sweat_smile: I obviously didn’t … sorry, I must try harder lol … Yes, that was food poisoning for sure.

(Bob M) #19

I’ve always wondered about that. When my daughter was younger, she got sick and was on the mend, and we were feeding her the normal “bland” (high carb) diet. I took her out or got food somewhere and we got milk. My daughter relapsed and my wife blames the milk for the relapse.

While I don’t think milk would be something I’d want if I was sick, I remain doubtful about anything said about dairy, for me. If I have a problem with dairy, I’ll be darned if I can figure out what it is.

It might be a case where someone has a problem with dairy, and then dairy is “hard to digest” because of that. Whereas those of us who have no known issues with dairy are left to decipher the anti-dairy bias that’s out there.

(Peter - Don't Fear the Fat ) #20

I’ve encounted this. While trying to tackle IBD flare up’s my Doctor suggests quitting dairy because ‘It’s hard to digest’!