Attempting dairy free keto wish me luck!

(Julie Pegler) #1

I have tried fasting 23 hours, with one hour feeding window, only eating one meal a day for weeks, I have tried going back to the beginning, trying to get “Knocked out” of ketosis because the first week of Keto I lost 7 pounds, but that didn’t work. I tried forcing myself to eat three keto meals a day even though I am not hungry. I gained 7 pounds in ONE week that WAS not pms, no other reason other then I went from fasting and eating one meal a day to eating three meals a day. I teach yoga so I am somewhat active, I teach 5-7 classes a week. I am 5’7 1/2" and I weigh 240. I had a miscarriage in April and gained 20 pounds while pregnant, and cannot seem to lose hardly any . :frowning: I only weigh myself once a week or so, lately less because I can tell I am not losing.

I saw a girl in FB keto group lose like 60-75 pounds in like 5 months and she said she did it dairy free keto. I am thinking that my body just doesn’t do well with dairy as far as weight loss. I have had mild success with paleo years ago but super slow. I think some people are just slower losers then others. And I know there are the rare few that eating keto might not work for. I cut out 95% of my dairy yesterday, and I noticed no bloated feeling, and that my joints weren’t sore. So maybe there is something to dairy? It took me 5 months to lose 10 pounds and then I gained 7 back in one week. I know that “Comparison is the thief of joy” but I am tired of seeing people who have done keto way less time as me and lost 3 times the amount as I have. I have tried everything but less dairy. So that Is the road I am embarking on, with hubs. It’s not easy cuz I love half and half or heavy cream in my coffee! Since dairy is inflammation causing and that can might keep me from losing right? I am now going to play around with both Paleo and keto, because I think my body might do better, since Keto isn’t working for me.
Dairy free keto is a sad thought. Any of y’all do that and what do you eat besides nuts, meats, and veggies? I am already sick of eggs, and eggs without cheese makes me want to cry.

(KetoCowboy) #2

Good luck with your effort.

I don’t do dairy-free keto, but I have heard such folks venerating coconut oil, coconut milk, and coconut cream as substitutes for dairy.

Also, since cheese is how most of us consume fermented food, I assume you should go out of your way to increase consumption of other fermented foods for the sake of gut health (e.g. sauerkraut).

Mainly I just wanted to say I’m envious. If you’re essentially doing paleo without honey & starches, you don’t have to mention the qualifiers, so you can tell people you’re eating paleo and not get the reproachful “I’m sorry for you” looks that come when you announce that you’re keto.

(Brian) #3

Julie, your post reads like you’re jumping from one thing to another to another.

You start out saying you were eating one meal a day for weeks. The question I had when I read that was, did you do that because you weren’t hungry? If so, were you getting an adequate amount of protein and an adequate amount of fat for your body to know that you weren’t starving? It doesn’t like it when it thinks it’s starving. If you were hungry, maybe you shouldn’t have started with one meal a day. (?)

You then mention eating three meals a day when you weren’t hungry. I’m not a big fan of eating for the sake of eating and some docs say if you’re not hungry, don’t eat. I have experienced adding some extra fat on a few days and finding that I lost weight instead of gaining. It feels counter-intuitive. But in that case, I didn’t eat an extra steak with a couple of eggs, I had an extra avocado or two.

I know some people get along better with dairy than others. Some people do better with organic dairy.

Maybe paying attention to your macros for a while, eating what you can from whatever foods you eat to get you into a regular pattern of eating would be good, something that gives you the nutrition you need and lets your body know you’re not gonna abandon it’s food supply. Maybe you don’t need to start out with one meal a day, maybe two meals a day would work better while you’re body figures out what you’re doing to it.

That’s just what comes to mind. Others may have more/better advice.

No Dairy or Pork?
(Allie) #4

Good luck. I keep thinking of doing this but not quite there yet… I was dairy free for about fifteen years before keto as I found it affected my mental health (caused depression), but went back to it two years ago and although it happy with my progress, I’ve got cold type symptoms that I can’t get rid of and suspect dairy to be the culprit…

(Julie Pegler) #5

I wasn’t really hungry, I could have gone longer. If my husband was out of town or something, I would definitely fast longer. Even though my hubby is doing keto, he’s never really made it to the not hungry stage- he is insulin resistant hypo-glycemic. He’s also been morbidly obese for most of his life, so I think it’s a brain thing more then a will power thing. He worries about me fasting, even though I have sent him all the Jason Fung stuff, and importance of fasting etc, he is worried its leading towards an anorexic/bulimic lifestyle. He is also a chef and that’s one way he loves to show me he loves me by cooking me meals, so our happy medium, was me only eating one meal a day. Those meals were always 70-80% fat, 10-20% protein and 5-10% carbs. There for a while I would make bulletproof coffee for breakfast, no lunch or snacks and dinner. I would say the majority of our dinner meals were 600-1000 calories but I am just at a loss of what else to try. When I say paleo, I guess I am mainly meaning keto, but with squash, and sweet potatoes, and no dairy.

(Brian) #6

Were you intending to be in ketosis? The reason I ask is because some people have noted that sweet potatoes and some kinds of squash can have a detrimental effect on insulin response. One sweet potato might have a whole day’s worth of carbs, maybe a little more. Squashes vary by variety from pretty good to not good.

(Julie Pegler) #7

interesting! I know we are the only mammals to eat dairy after we are weaned! my husband has a LOT of post nasal drainage and I think its dairy related as well. Meditation is LIFE changing for depression and anxiety! My husband had severe anxiety and I taught him how to meditate, and now he RARELY has anxiety. Depression can also come from feeling you are not good enough and the repetitive thoughts around that. What also worked for him was affirmations, I HIGHLY recommend the book by Louse Hay called " You can heal your life" I have it on audible and I have listened to it like 4 times, he did too. It really is life changing to change your inner thought dialogue!! But all that to say, do what works for you! I am hoping dairy free works for me! I know right now I feel a LOT better, in dealing with chronic pain!

(Edith) #8

I do dairy free keto because dairy gives me a rash and aching joints, especially my back. It is not that difficult. I have been keto for three months and I am still learning but for fat I use olive and avocado oils, bacon fat, coconut oil. If I make bullet proof tea (I don’t like coffee) I use coconut or MCT oil along with some coconut cream. Leanne Vogel in her book “The Keto Diet” has some really awesome recipes that are all dairy free.

Cheers,
Edith

(Julie Pegler) #9

thank you!!!

(Jen) #10

Do you follow Michelle Rock on social media (instagram/YouTube)?
She does dairy-free keto off and on and does a lot of “what I ate today” videos, if you’re looking for inspiration. Lately she’s been using nutritional yeast to get that ‘umami’ flavor you get from cheese and she says it works great. I plan on getting some as soon as I can figure out where…

(Bonnie) #11

I’m going to try diary free Keto as well, for different reasons. My LDL went through the roof (over 350) after 4 months on Keto. I like the way I feel, I have lost a few pounds but that isn’t my real goal. I’m trying to understand how best to deal with signs of atherosclosis.
So, for different reasons it seems we are both going to try diary free Keto. For me this will be extremely difficult. I also love cream in my coffee and cheese, yougert - i love the stuff!
Please let us know how you are doing. So you use an app to track your diet? I use My Keto.

(Julie Pegler) #12

interesting, thank you! I will look her up!

(Julie Pegler) #13

The first week we cut out just half and half in our coffee ( we used canned coconut milk) and we finished all the cheese, and other dairy products we had in the house. second week wasn’t so bad. I have had queso once, and some raw cheese. I have lost weight, but its probably because I did a three day fast as well!

(VLC.MD) #14

https://www.dietdoctor.com/low-carb/recipes/dairy-free

This looks good …

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dairy free == more coconut milk ?

is Ghee dairy free ?

#15

You know half n half is mostly milk right? If you find you think dairy is screwing with you cyrex labs does a very thorough test and can tell you exactly whats pissing your system off, if it turns out dairy is in fact doing that.

(Jim Russell) #16

I cut dairy out of my diet about 3 weeks ago and have been really pleased with the results. My sinus issues have cleared up quite a bit. Not totally gone, but I have gone from having to take claritin D every day to just 2 or 3 days in the 3 weeks.

I have also gone from losing and gaining the same 10 pounds or so to losing about 20 pounds in those 3 weeks.

I miss cheese and hwc a lot, but coconut milk or cream substitutes pretty well for hwc. There is no substitute for cheese.

I will have to check out that cyrex test.

#17

There is a theory I read on a random Celiac website that the reason we have problems with dairy is the grains the cows are fed. Apparently gluten can pass through human breast milk so it probably can through cow’s milk. While I am not ready to go dairy free and rely on dairy a lot, I have considered switching to grass fed milk products to see if that makes a difference. As it is, I drink mostly organic or rBST free.

However, in the middle of my last 5 day fast I did have some back stiffness which I usually associate with a food issue. Absolutely the only thing I had eaten was coffee with HWC makes me wonder if I should give up dairy but not up to it yet

(Allie) #18

I’ve been dairy free for a couple of weeks now too. Tbh not noticed any differences but am sticking with it in the hope that it clears up the nasal congestion and sneezing I’ve had for months.

I’m still using butter in coffee but rarely have coffee now as it just doesn’t appeal at the moment, and I’ve made the butter into ghee to remove the milk solids anyway so it is pure fat when I do use it.

(Julie Pegler) #19

Ghee is dairy free because you boil the milk out of fat basically :slight_smile: thank you!

(Julie Pegler) #20

LOL, It’s yes the hardest dairy to give up!! Been using Coconut for about 2 weeks now. I lost 10 pounds, but I also did a three day fast.