Are veggies important?

(Chris) #102

@m.Keto.m what are your thoughts thus far?

(Chris) #103

Sells an awful lot of questionable supplements on her gut health site, there.

(Ketoviking) #104

I have yet to go that far down the rabbit hole. I can easily get down with the food is fuel platform but this is a holdout for me. How do you prepare it to make it palatable?

(Chris) #105

It can be an acquired taste. Usually just seat it using butter, tallow or bone marrow as a fat. Or you can try cutting it up and freezing it to swallow whole.

(Robert C) #106

Sounds like that would be difficult at a restaurant. :grinning:

Funny too - the cook has it easy, just go to the freezer and start sawing.

(Ketoviking) #107

BRILLIANT! Iā€™ve never thought of freezing it and downing it that way. I was in Alaska last year and I was served a native traditional meal of whale meat. It was almost frozen when I started on the meat portion and I was thankful it was a bit easier to get down without seeming rude. The whale blubber was delicious. Had I been doing KETO at the time Iā€™m sure I would have appreciated it more.

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #108

My method is to rinse the liver and dredge it in almond flour. I pan-fry it in bacon grease, no more than 90 seconds on each side, then serve (fried onions make a delicious garnish).

My mother and her mother grossly overcooked liverā€”to me, it always tasted and felt like eating sandpaper. I get it, however; back in the days before antibiotics, food had to be cooked well to kill infectious diseases.

(Adriana Ro) #109

I got lost among all these messages. I donā€™t speak English too well and Iā€™m a bit confused right now. Cutting veggies out of my diet helped me so far and I can eat a lot of extra fat coming from homemade keto ice cream for example, since Meat contains super few carbs. I Will keep doing my research on the carnivore diet, maybe itā€™s the right way of eating for me

(Full Metal KETO AF) #110

I didnā€™t know what Hormesis is so I had to do some reading. It has to do with stressing your body to stimulate positive responses.

Hormesis has nothing to do with veganism.

Hormesis includes all kinds of things like exercise, immunizations, medicinal properties of plants like turmeric, Curcumin, and chilies which strengthen the immune system.

Mild repetitive stress on the body is shown to improve longevity as we age. When weā€™re young germs strengthen our immune system by being exposed to germs, viruses and bacteria by increasing our resistance to them.

I found no mentions or links to veganism :cowboy_hat_face:

(Full Metal KETO AF) #111

I know from reading your posts that youā€™re pretty much on the carnivore WOE, how do you justify this to yourself as being best for you if you believe the data? Just curious. :cowboy_hat_face:

(Chris) #112

The theory of plant-induced hormesis being a definitively positive thing for humans is constantly pushed by vegans.

(Full Metal KETO AF) #113

Just because theyā€™re vegan doesnā€™t make them wrong about everything. Itā€™s really difficult to be 100% wrong about everything. Itā€™s obvious that herbs and compounds in plants have healing strengthening properties. Almost all medicines are derived from plants or based on compounds that were originally found in plants. Antioxidants fight against free radicals. Certain seeds stimulate digestive properties. I know youā€™re a carnivore Cris but surely you donā€™t believe that all plants are harmful to our health. :cowboy_hat_face:

(Chris) #114

This thread is so far beyond derailed, Iā€™m finished answering further questions.

(Full Metal KETO AF) #115

Seems to be right on track to me, your ideas just seem to be a minority point of view. Sorry your fed up. :cowboy_hat_face:

(Chris) #116

That certainly makes all the difference in the world, what a grown up perspective.

(Karim Wassef) #117

Animals are food.
Plants are drugs/medicine.
Processed foods are not food.

(mole person) #118

My original post was in response to @RobC who was pondering about what might be known about the longevity of strictly meat eating peoples. This is an excellent question as we have no data on what the health effects of lifelong carnivory are. Stefansson did note an effect and I donā€™t believe in ignoring such evidence. However, I believe I said in my first two posts that given the various environmental difference the Inuit would have faced itā€™s impossible to know for certain where the reduction in lifespan stemmed from.

Stefansson noted that the Inuit that he lived with for ten years of his life had extremely rapid maturation. He mentioned that women were grandmothers as young as 23 and he hypothesized that a soley meat based diet might be resulting in more rapid metabolism and a sped up life.

However this is only a hypothesis, it might also be due to genetic differences evolved over millenia of surviving a life of vastly different and harsh conditions. We simply donā€™t know. Nonetheless, it is data and Iā€™m not going to chuck it just because itā€™s my way of eating currently.

I eat this way at the moment not because I have any certainty that it will lead to long life but because I seem to be healthier when I avoid vegetables. That fact is consistent both with what Steffansson noted about the Inuit and what he experienced himself in the years that he subsisted on the same diet. He said that he had never seen a healthier people and that they maintained the vigor and health of their 20ā€™s until the very end of their life. As much as Iā€™d rather not have a truncated lifespan an excellent healthspan ranks far higher. Especially one divorced from the pain Iā€™ve been living with for the last decade.

I hope this answers your question.

#119

Is this raw or after cooking? If raw, any concern about e coli or other harmful bacteria or does the freezing kill them?

#120

I have no memory of this, do you have that quote?

(Chris) #121

http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/m/#publication?id=FS153