Anyone using the Cronometer online macro calculator?

newbies

(Terence Dean) #1

I thought I’d start a thread on the Cronometer available here. I’ve been playing around with it putting in food items to see what the break down is on all types of food. One thing I noticed is that it gives you a value for kcals burned per day, I assume this is based on your weight, height and amount of exercise you do? Would I be correct in saying that this total is the recommended amount of total calories that your body would need to remain stable? i.e. no weight-loss or gain?

On the left side we see the total calories consumed in kcals. Do users of this application find it accurate? It looks pretty good to me, just wondering what other’s experience has been. I don’t use programs like this but it looks quite helpful if its accurate. I guess that depends on the quality of information that people enter for food like lamb chops.

That raises another question, if you are calculating the values of a lamb chop how do you not account for the bone that you don’t eat but is also included in the weight? is there a bit of guess work involved for things like that?


I'm not stalling...I haven't even budged to start with (Haven't lost either pounds or inches!)
(Terence Dean) #2

And when I change the body weight to another value it recalculates the total kcals burned from 2578 kcal to 2564 kcal which brings up another question. Should you re-evaluate your diet every 5 kgs or so that you lose because clearly the requirements for calories drop as you lose weight. The macro percentages may not change but the calorific requirement appears to, doesn’t it? Comments?


(Ron) #3

Terence,
Question #1
You are correct. the right side is your calculated TDEE. The left side is the kcals total of the food you are listing. As for accuracy, it is close for me but over time I have favored leaning about 100 kcals less as this seems to fit my progressions better. On the bone, I weigh before eating the pork chop and weight the bone after and deduct.
Question #2
Technically you should recalculate but experience has told me that eating to satiety seems to correlate with the weight loss and the automatic calculation change pretty naturally.:grinning:


#4

I’ve been using Cronometer for a year and love it.


(Terence Dean) #5

That’s a very good idea Ron thanks, it was your post that put me on to this.

Yes well I had forgotten about the need to recalculate from past diets, now I remember them adjusting after reaching a major milestone like 10kg, then they would give me another plan which had less calories. I never knew quite why they did it but now can see why.

You’re correct about eating fat to satiety but I’m happier if I can verify that I’m closer to my fat macros rather than over-doing the fat, more or less. At least this seems to give an approximate idea of how close I am to getting enough fat. The other day I punched in my food items and it showed that my carbs and protein were good but I was eating about 203% fat which was twice the amount I needed theoretically.


(Ron) #6

Yes Sir, I don’t manage by it but it is a viable means to monitor and over time is how I determined my food consumption naturally adjusting. It’s actually fun to watch!:grin:


(Terence Dean) #7

Thanks Talia, its been 11 weeks for me so wouldn’t be worth trying to retrofit my data but I may refer to this more often if the macros and food calorific breakdowns work for me. I haven’t used anything other than scales and looking at and remembering food portions.

Just so happens that my carbs have worked out fine but I did make a conscious effort to eliminate the big carb foods like wheat, rice, potatoes and pasta. Given that, I was surprised to see how the hidden carbs still mount up. A bit over in the protein and well over in the fat requirements.


(Ron) #8

This is where the normal response for the newbee’s is - Carbs under 20, protien has some wiggle room, and fat to satiety (not a limit) :grinning:
I have experimented with protein and affects on ketone bodies and weight loss progression and have found a cap limit for myself of 135g. This is going to be about my maintain level average (or slightly less) after reaching goal weight. More fun finding these n=1’s.:joy:


(Terence Dean) #9

Yeah that’s what I’m hoping to do too, I’m not concerned too much about the journey towards my target but along the way I’d like to accumulate more detail for myself so that once I do get there, I will be in a better position to keep within sustainable limits. I guess that’s where the n=1’s become real relevant.


(bulkbiker) #10

I weigh the plate with the chops and then weigh the plate once I have eaten an use the diff as the weight of the lamb I have eaten… Much easier with one or two item meals which is another benefit of carnivore,…!


(Terence Dean) #11

Great idea Mark, I guess I’m going to need to invest in a decent food scales that measures grams accurately. I was also looking at the data for a lamb chop. Where are they getting these figures from?


(bulkbiker) #12

I tend to use (being UK based) UK suprmarket websites… so for lamb chops would go here

Also I use a spreadsheet rather than an app as I then get my own data that I can manipulate as I want to rather than the way the app wants to… but then again I’m a bit old school…


(Terence Dean) #13

D’Oh why didn’t I think of that, mind you the Aussie online supermarkets are not quite so forth coming with information about loin chops.
https://shop.coles.com.au/a/a-national/product/coles-lamb-loin-chops-8598985p


(bulkbiker) #14

That’s really crap… I think UK ones have to give it and always per 100g as you can get an immediate idea of what is in the food. I had no idea the Oz ones were so limited.
The biggest one here is www.tesco.com no reason why the usual suspects for keto food would be diff unless there are special Aussie foodstuffs!
I always find the problems with the apps is that US measures and rest of the world can get mixed up which makes for some very confusing figures.


(Terence Dean) #15

The Aussie food that comes in packaging generally all have labels with the breakdown of nutrients, and that’s easy enough to create your own food item using the Australian/New Zealand label in the app, its just the fresh produce that seems to be missing this information.


#16

That depends on other factors, as your recording your weight as a biometric it’ll tweak in real time, the biggest factor is where you set your activity level and your weight loss goals / gains per weak. Adding exercise will also send it on the other direction. It’s assumptions should be fine for most people. I override it’s settings as I’ve had metabolic testing so I have it use that but it’s really not so far off that it matters. They’re all just tools, the numbers don’t have to be a correct as people want them to be for the tools to work. Yes, the calories matter but if you become insane about it which people tend to, then it’s just more written in stone CICO which we know it’s anything but in real life.


(charlie3) #17

I’ve been using crono plus a $25 digital kitchen scale from the beginning, about 4 months ago. My age and weight adjusted BMR in crono is 1409 calories. In Crono I set activity level to ‘none’. Then I use a step counter app on my phone called “Step Counter- Pedometer Free & Calorie Counter” to count steps and calculate calories burned then get that value into Crono via “walking on the job, 3.0 mph…”. In addition I do some cardio and resistance training and have estimated calorie values for those which are added, a bit akwardly in crono but it’s close enough so I know calories burned for a day. My activities over and above BMR are typically 30% of my calories burned, 2100 total. To have a 2100 calorie BMR, while being totally sedentary, I’d need to weigh twice my current 144 pounds.

Hitting energy balance goals is easier when I can adjust calories burned and/or consumed, not just calories consumed.

A year ago I weighed 170 pounds, just below overweight. Today I’m 144, in the middle of the acceptable weight range for my height and age. Now I want to put back the 25 pounds as lean tissue without fattening back up. To do that I will eat 300 excess calories 6 days a week then 0 calories one day a week so that average calories for the week is maintenance level. I figure realistic muscle gain is 1/4 pound per week. If I could do that for 2 years it would add up to 25 pounds. Time will tell if a 69 year old can pull that off.

This chart shows the past 8 weeks. Green bars above the line are surplus calories consumed, below the line are calories burned but not replaced on my 36 hour fasting Saturdays. The goal is for them to net to near zero give or take.

Fasting and and keto work together so well I can’t imagine doing either one separately.


(Terence Dean) #18

Yes I forgot to mention those values, I think I chose sedentary BMR 0.2 because I’m not dead and added the exercise manually. I also chose to lose 2 lbs a week but I’m actually averaging 1.5kg a week. Be nice to adjust that more precisely. So if you include a weight loss value it will automatically calculate a deficit for you. I set the Macro-nutrients target to Ketogenic and set strictness to rigorous which gives me the 20g carbs limit, and 1g of protein per kg of lean body mass.

Yes I read the mantra about eating fat to satiety but if it doesn’t matter how much fat you over eat, then why can’t it also be fine to eat 100% or even 110% of your calculated fat macro? I understand this is not what Keto people want to read but I can’t see any reason for eating more fat than you need to, so long as you don’t eat less than your macro. (I can see the flame wars starting again…:fire: )


#19

It’s all goal dependent. For instance on lifting days my protein macro is a MINIMUM, I MUST get it in. I don’t care where my fat lands, I cook fatty foods and fat is typically 70-80% of my intake. If I go over, I go over. People are redefining keto, when I started years ago we were still very close to the Atkins roots of controlling the percentages of our intake and letting the food tell us when to stop, not being calorie counters. I get why the whole “fat to satiety” thing happened but think at it’s roots how that works. If fat is our main energy source, than what are we saying? Eat JUST enough FUEL to keep yourself going? No thanks. Yes, we burn body fat as well obviously and that needs to be considered especially when your main goal at the time is weight loss but a lot of advise is geared specifically to weight loss and doesn’t translate to other cases. Which is common and why you get such different answers on keto eating depending on where you ask. If you ask here (meaning this forum) for example, most of the advise will be from a weight loss mentality with a slight fear of protein which is great if you’re trying to loose weight but not when your in the gym lifting heavy for muscle gains and people are telling you to lower your protein to 70g! I think many don’t want to come to terms that just like people being carb powered how we eat changes based on our goals, weight loss, muscle gains, strict anti-inflammatory, auto immune etc. People want there to be a STRICT definition of what keto is, the only thing I’ll agree with in that regard is being in KETOsis! I think that’s something most can agree on being on a KETOgenic diet. At least I hope.


#20

Hope you find a system that works for you! One thing Cronometer helped me realize is that my supplements alone have 5 grams of carbs (2 net).

And coffee and apple cider vinegar aren’t carb-free in larger doses, but I pretend they are anyway. :grinning: