An apology to the forum

(Failed) #21

I get why you’re mad at the bad, even criminal advice given by the mainstream medical community, but you’re blaming the victims.

(Art ) #22

If I was trolling I’d be subtle.

I’ve been nice, been ‘understanding’, been a part of it, been a victim now I’m mad.

(Art ) #23

If you can go into a WalMart and not be disgusted within a few minutes by what you’re seeing then that’s a problem.

As a nation we continue to reward bad behavior. Even if it’s by ignoring it.

People should be ashamed and I wish someone at McDonald’s just told me “no” 5 years ago. That kind of shame or taxes on food that’s bad for you could be the kinder alternative, tax it like cigarettes.

(John) #24

I get that - but your anger seems to be at least partially directed to the other victims.

The people who are here on this forum are trying to fix their health issues.

There are SOME people, such as me, for whom overweight was just a result of being lazy and eating too much. I accept the fat shaming - it was my fault. No underlying health issues (except maybe depression).

There are many people on the forums, who have been trying to improve their health but were following bad advice, or manipulated by marketing, or played by the food industry for profit.

Let’s not make people FEEL BAD, HERE, about being overweight. If you want to look down on people for being overweight, pick your targets better. Not the people here, who are looking for help.

(squirrel-kissing paper tamer) #25

I boycotted Walmart years ago because instead of being preachy I vote with my wallet. It’s a quiet and effective way to go about life. Screaming about things I hate is a waste of valuable energy. So is working hard at shaming people.

(Lisa) #26

You have no idea what any of those people might be going through, what injuries or illnesses they might be suffering. Maybe those people have lost 100 pounds but they just had a knee replacement. Maybe they’re buying the 100-calorie packs because they’re on Weight Watchers… and maybe their misinformed doctor told them to go on it. Your anger at people you don’t know is… odd.

(Tom Seest) #27

I’ve been big before, and I’ve been small before, and in both cases, I’ve been either to big for small people, or too small for big people. And, in both cases, I got advice from big and small people.

But, God has given me the ability to educate them, even if other’s are failing to help them. And, I find that easier by talking with them, and helping them, rather than insulting them.

But, that’s my own personal method. I find people are more willing to listen to me if I’m being nice to them and helping them load their car, than talking down to them.

(Art ) #28

Lisa you keep making excuses for these people that I did for myself. It was my fault, my responsibility and my (to borrow a term from another thread) self-sabotage.

We all have mirrors and scales and non-elastic pants in our lives and homes. We have belt holes and we know when we’re using the next hole or buy button expanders.

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I’ve been in many countries throughout the world and seen people with 100X more excuses to give up on themselves and let themselves go but they didn’t. Being confined to a wheel chair doesn’t make you fat. It’s poor advice, poor choices, bad and ineffective medical guidance, etc. We know the culprits (now at least).

(Cancer Fighting Ketovore :)) #29

I’ve used them before, and I’m nowhere near fat. They are great for people with other disabilities, permanent or temporary. I used them during pregnancy and at times after my cancer diagnosis.

(Susan) #30

Myself, and many other forum members, like a lot… feel you are really trying to incite problems on the forum. This has been happening on multiple threads since you have joined.

You have made some valid comments at times; sure, but you come across as an arrogant know-it-all and are very self-righteous, and make it sound like you are condemning everyone that doesn’t totally agree with you. That is NOT why the 2KetoDudes made this forum.

It is meant to be a place for people seeking guidance, help and direction in the Keto Lifestyle. A place where we discuss Keto, and provide advice and encouragement to each other.

You need to get control of your anger and keep it in check and not take out your issues on the forum. Write letters to your congress or become a politician and do something about all your grievances if you actually care that much about all these things that bother you. Coming on a Keto help forum and being obnoxious and rude to everyone is not the answer to your problems. You are not always right, and your way is not always the only or correct way, even though you seem to think it is.

(hottie turned hag) #31

Yep.
There’s always that one kid in the playgroup…

(Michael - When reality fails to meet expectations, the problem is not reality.) #32

@ArtMeursault Art, don’t worry. The psychoanalysis is included in your single, low price of admission.

(Little Miss Scare-All) #33

Maybe this thread will end up being an episode of The Twilight Zone, where Art gets waken up and finds himself at 500 lbs in a scooter in Costco. Just then, the panic of karma sets in, and Art accidentally hits the accelerator, directly into a poorly stacked pyramid of 1-gallon pickle jars, and finds himself buried and unable to escape. Instead of being helped, everyone laughs because he’s obese, and as everyone knows, fat people should be shamed because their fat cells are larger than someone of average weight #becauseapparentlyfunny

I’d watch that episode. A few times over, even.

(hottie turned hag) #34

@x-Dena-x
I’m WEAK af
:sweat_smile:
:rofl:
:joy:

(Failed) #35

Totally disagree with this. You can take SOME responsibility, but not all, not even 50%. We are constantly bombarded with enticing ads and bad advice, I call it brainwashing. You cannot hold yourself totally at fault for succumbing.

In addition, with SAD, you’re cells’ insulin resistance is driving your eating.

(Art ) #36

Then you understand it wasn’t directed at you.

Here’s the thing, I went out in the backyard, swam for a while and played in the hot tub with my son and I got some clarity and grounding.

Yep. I’m mad and I want you to be mad too. And then it hit me - the problem was right there in my OP. For those that have seen the movie Network it’s probably already clear.

While sitting there in the hot tub I was thinking who should I be angry with? It’s not the forum, not even the fat defenders in the forum. It’s the news.

In a right side up world, the cancer/heart/diabetes epidemic should be the first 10 minutes out of 30 everyday. Because it is affecting most all of us.

Journalism should be covering this as if its responsible for 74% of US deaths annually. Mainly BECAUSE IT IS.

But it is ignored. Buried under meaningless stories and noise.

There’s no way that the sponsors of today’s programs (seems like big pharma for the most part) are going to support news stories that tell people about KETO and cut into their profits. Same with any other of the major ad buyers, beer, fast food, cola, snacks, shit food etc. I doubt public TV or even John Oliver on HBO can dive into it and even if they did, it’s a fraction of the population that will take home the message and a smaller fraction that will react.

I’m not trolling, I’m not inciting. I’m just angry. And I think others should be too. The system won’t change, it’s only us that can change the system.

I don’t know what it takes for a fat person to finally be disgusted with themselves to make the first move but I do know acceptance of, excuses for, embracing and rewarding bad behavior is never the answer. Not for drug, alcohol, food or any other addiction.

One person said they would help that person load up their poison as if their mere presence would stir up the drive in Mr. Fatty to respond with 'how did you get so thin and fit? tell me all about your weight loss messiah? - Like the 2nd coming, you’ll be waiting a long time for something that will never happen.

Would you also deliver cigarettes to the person with lung cancer? Or heroin to the addict. Let’s not judge anyone.

That’s BS. Because you judged others and judged yourself and said I don’t want to be fat anymore and I’m mad as hell and going to do something about it.

I think the worst part of being fat is being like everyone else. Followed by the early death, lack of energy and joy, the ostracization by fit people (it’s a well known fact that being around fat people makes you fatter). They don’t want to be near your cin-a-bun eating lifestyle.

( Since someone will be mad or challenge this - https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/how-your-friends-make-you-fat—the-social-network-of-weight-201105242666 )

Maybe you’re not angry today but were in the past, or maybe you’ll be angry some time in the future but the way I see it anger is an appropriate response to what has happened to us, our nation and now almost every corner of the planet.

(hottie turned hag) #37

:neutral_face:
I can’t even. I just cannot. ^^^^^^

What would you suggest?
Sporting sandwich boards and pacing back and forth on busy city streets?

Confronting fat folk one encounters, and engaging them in a -beneficial- tirade? Perhaps hand them a tract?

Neck tattoos that proclaim “Keto or Die”?

All this outrage and disgust is utterly pointless raving that shall accomplish nothing.
Except maybe alienate folk.

(Art ) #38

Why don’t you come up with a solution then?

You tell me - how do you motivate a fat person to make the change?

There has to be a switch, that admittedly has to come on inside of them, but what can we do to help show them where that switch is?

This is all serious to me. Like I said, I’ve buried 3 this year already. I am looking at friends and family, some way worse than I ever was and trying to figure out how to get them on KETO asap.

(hottie turned hag) #39

I’m too cynical and detached to bother.
I’ve never been inclined towards aiding or abetting folk. I just observe from afar.

(squirrel-kissing paper tamer) #40

But that’s the whole point, you can’t control the free will of someone else. You can choose to lead by example, offer education and be someone people want to engage with, or you can chastise, alienate and shame them.

Show me one unhealthy, overweight person who doesn’t already know they have issues. You screaming at them about it, even if your fears and concerns are justified, isn’t going to work for most people.

Education, resources, support, affordable healthy foods, harder access to junk food, less ad push and addictive chemicals that mess with our brains, taxation, policy change and a fundamental shift in values is what’s going to change things. Not simply being angry at or cruel to fat people.