Amazon Fast

(Tim) #1

Hello! I have begun what I call an Amazon fast. It’s based on chocolate, maca, and yerba mate. Nothing special, just commonly consumed plants from Latin America. After a few months of experimenting with liquid fasts I’ve found that the choco-maca-yerba trio makes fasting mundanely easy. The longest I’ve played with the trio is five days. It was a cinch. I am planning to go at least three weeks this time. Following are descriptions of my drinks.

MORNING SHAKE
1/3 gallon almond milk
16-20 teaspoons of black maca
4 teaspoons chocolate
2 teaspoons bee pollen
1 teaspoon date syrup
1 dab of vanilla paste
Pinch of Himalayan salt

NOON AND NIGHT TEA
3L yerba mate
rosehips
honey mixed with pollen, royal jelly, and propolis
2 handfuls goji berries

Besides many liters of water, that is the diet. I suppose this isn’t technically a fast because of the goji berries, but they do melt in your mouth. It’s good to have some sort of texture to prevent the fast from getting too boring. The boredom is what really breaks you down…

I’ll start weighing and taping tomorrow morning. Possibly post pictures.

(karen) #2

Oh, but with so many trolls to choose from, is life ever boring?

(Lonnie Hedley) #3

I’m doing the Keto fast. Includes 75% of my calories from fats, 20% from protein, and incidental carbs. Something new I’m trying out.

(karen) #4

Huh, sounds very suspicious. Are you sure you won’t die?

(Lonnie Hedley) #5

What are you, my mother?!?!? :joy::rofl::joy::rofl::joy:

(Aimee Moisa) #6

I haven’t been here long enough to be able to recognize keto trolls on sight, what makes this post troll-worthy?

(karen) #7

His diet is about 400 carbs a day, including chocolate and honey. He’s not necessarily a troll per se, but this recipe doesn’t belong on a keto forum and definitely not a part of the forum where talking about food is discouraged.

My personal opinion is that “fasting” involves primarily not consuming calories, but I know the term gets used for any sort of eating pattern that involves food limitations.

(Lonnie Hedley) #8

I’ve seen a couple threads lately about different fasts. I’m in the 0 calories, water only camp of what determines a traditional fast. If you want to eat only one type of food and see how you feel, I consider that more of an elimination diet than a fast.

(Lonnie Hedley) #9

For example, I cut everything that wasn’t an animal product for a while. I didn’t consider it a “carnivore fast”.

(karen) #10

Right. Having just :heart: 'd your definition of fasting, I am currently fasting and yet having a 5 calorie mug of mushroom broth … cheating madly. :stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes:

(Lonnie Hedley) #11

I know Fung is all about broth, but that blows my mind. I would think the protein in broth would lesson the desired effects of fasting. Lesson but not completely nullify. Even more so than fat. But, a super low calorie liquid is closer to a water only fast than a handful of foods is somehow a special kind of fast.

(karen) #12

Well, mushroom broth has about 1 gram of protein per cup, which is how much I’m drinking, unlike bone or chicken broth which can be as much as 10. I’m still not 100% convinced it’s a good idea while fasting, but it really makes a difference to my sense of “having something” - and it’s my way of getting salts / magnesium without keto-ade. :nauseated_face:

(Lonnie Hedley) #13

I don’t do Ketoaid when I fast. A little lite salt (not too much, I know danger DANGER!!!) in some water and some magnesium supplements (which I take fasting or not). I figure my fasts are short enough I shouldn’t be deficient when I begin that I should be fine by the end.

(karen) #14

I’ve just found that pure water fasting without salt has in the past (4-6 day fasts) made me feel like pure shit. Just so lethargic and headachy and exhausted. This time around I’m actually taking some caffeine, having one teabag’s worth of green tea that I can create about a quart of very diluted tea with, plus this salt-broth “dinner” and my vitamins (again, I’m dubious, fish oil and vitamin D both have calories.) So maybe it’s not 100% fasting, on the outside I believe maybe 40 calories a day … I’m hoping Valter Longo is right, that a “fast mimicking” diet that’s low enough in carbs and protein can produce the same effect as a total fast. I believe in pure water fasting but I can’t take six days out of my life every month, this is keeping me a normal person, I stay in ketosis, I have energy and the fat does seem to come off at about the same rate. I’d love an uninterrupted ‘guaranteed’ five days of autophagy but I’m not there yet.

(Lonnie Hedley) #15

I’m 6ft, 140lbs (so weight loss is no longer a goal of fasting). Anything over 48 hours is almost impossible for me. Fasting is only for a minor autophagy boost and to support a friend trying to lose some weight. I “supplement” with lite salt and magnesium. But I “eat” salt while fasting. Otherwise I feel like crap too.

(Richard Morris) #16

The OP almost got walked out the door as a spammer.

I rejected the spam flag because the post is not spam, it’s stupid. It’s basically a chocolate shake with obscure expensive ingredients - including enough glucose to prevent ketogenesis. Followed by a sweetened tea, again with obscure expensive ingredients.

  1. Although I hate the phrase “that’s not keto”, that diet plan is anti-ketogenic
  2. Although it isn’t a fast (that glucose will stop your insulin dropping), it is nutrient deficient - so it’s all the bad things about fasting and NONE of the good ones.
  3. It’s a bunch of unusual ingredients that distract from the craziness.

I mean I harvest rose hips and make a Swedish soup from them, because I lived in Sweden where that is the traditional way to get vitamins C in the winter. But commercial rose hip you could get in most countries is a sugar syrup flavored with essence of rose hips. Horrible food to be trying to run your body on.

(Tim) #17

I admit, I haven’t done a terrible amount of research on keto. I began experimenting with fasting in April and have lost 25 solid pounds. I assumed it was due to keto, so I joined this forum to share my new experiment.

If the experiment bothers people so much I can continue to keep results to myself and will delete my post and account.

I assure you I won’t die doing this fast. I didn’t die the first month I went with no food. I was supremely healthy. The only problem was that I lost too much muscle. I hypothesize that with the maca content I will retain muscle mass but still lose fat. I’ve found, so far, that I retain 3/4 of my physical strength with this Amazon fast. With my other experiments I was only at 1/2.

I’m only using organic products from their native countries. Purchased in bulk they are not expensive at all. It is much cheaper than buying food or juicing.

I admit that my experiments are not based on science at all, but history.

#18

We’re just puzzled because this is a keto forum, and your shakes are decidedly not keto.
But they sound yummy, and it sounds like they’re working for you!

(Tim) #19

I’m sorry, I thought I was doing keto…

Well, you all might still find this information adaptable. All you’d have to do is subtract the berries, honey, and syrup, right? It would be just as effective. I’m not kidding when I say I have no compulsion to eat food. Choco-maca-yerba is a balanced liquid diet. It’s possible one could go indefinitely without solid food, just like some juicers have done, but without having to juggle so many ingredients, shop for them, and refrigerate them, and blend them.

Since I’m in the wrong place, though, I won’t continue posting anymore. I do hope someone finds my information useful. Perhaps I should try an athletic forum…

Thanks, Madeleine.

#20

I don’t think there’s a huge problem with posting here as long as you know that context.
One of the things that we talk about a lot is that carbs + fat are really detrimental. Keto is mostly fat, minimal carbs - but you can often get some incredible health results with the reverse (high carb, minimal fats), at least in the long term (though I would think that with the almond milk and chocolate, you probably are still getting some fat in there?) and in any case super foods are a fun topic :slight_smile:
Personally I can’t even do a modified version of your shakes because the mate would keep me awake all night! All the more power to you since it’s working so well for you!