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(Clare) #21

Fair trade in the UK is a certification process which means the farms are managed as co-ops and the farmers are paid a premium. So it does mean something. I can’t speak to what it means elsewhere but here it’s a protected designation.

regarding organic produce, I get a weekly delivery box - the produce is way tastier than most of what I get from the supermarkets.

I’m prepared to accept that it’s not necessarily better for you but I’m intrigued by how you think it’s worse.

Show me some science or stop being rude.

(Stan Brooks) #22

Still the science states the food is the same.

https://skeptoid.com/episodes/4019

Yeah same in the US. The issue I was speaking about is whether those systems can be trusted

The above link to skeptoid is well sourced. But look at this quote in paturlcar

Some supporters of organic growing claim that the danger of non-organic food lies in the residues of chemical pesticides. This claim is even more ridiculous: Since the organic pesticides and fungicides are less efficient than their modern synthetic counterparts, up to seven times as much of it must be used. Organic pesticides include rotenone, which has been shown to cause the symptoms of Parkinson’s Disease and is a natural poison used in hunting by some native tribes; pyrethrum, which is carcinogenic; sabadilla, which is highly toxic to honeybees; and fermented urine, which I don’t want on my food whether it causes any diseases or not. Supporters of organics claim that the much larger amounts of chemicals they use is OK because those chemicals are all-natural. But just because something is natural doesn’t mean that it’s safe or healthy

And I am not intending to be rude.

(Ethan) #23

I wouldn’t (and didn’t) say it’s worse. The person who said that maybe was thinking of standards that perhaps let things slip by…such as without pesticides, maybe the fruit isn’t as big or has some bug or something–no idea. However, I will say that organic does generally lower production yields, which could be worse for a population because it means less food.

(Clare) #24

You kinda did pal.

You can get higher yields but you don’t get higher quantities of nutrients for the most part - just more water and less flavourful food. I’d rather eat a small, intensely flavoured tomato than a massive bag of tasteless water.

We’re going to have to agree to differ. I buy organic where i can because I have serious concerns about the way chemical farming is depleting the soil of nutrients - we’re generally only putting three elements into the soil.

And as has been said - we’re a wee bit stricter about our regs here in Europe - it means something. Do as you wish, I’ll do as I wish. TTFN.

(Stan Brooks) #25

I am fine with disagreeing I avoid organic because I do not like all those extra pesticides they have to put on the food.

Sure but remember organic does not mean that chemicals were not used in the growing of your food. Even in Europe.

(Troy) #26

:laughing: so excited
Aldi is opening soon near me!

That plus Winco near there already

Win-win

(Olivia) #27

Of the pesticides you have listed, rotenone, pyrethrum, sabadilla, only an altered version of pyrethrum called pyrethrine is allowed in conventional and organic farming in europe. However, it shouldn’t be a problem because it decomposes when exposed to sunlight.

(Stan Brooks) #28

I tried to find a list of allowed pesticides in the EU and in this area my Google Fu was weak. If you know of a good list that would be awesome to see. The only thing I could quickly find was this. Which mentions “out of the 140 different pesticides found in organic food” which again bring up the fact that pesticidies are used in organic farm.

I am not saying you believe or has state this, but when I hear people talk about why organic is so awesome it’s three points brought up. 1. it’s free of "chemicals. It’s not. At all. In anyway. 2. It’s better for the environment. I can arguments on both sides that make sense but at the end of the day for me it comes down to organic farm produces less food per acre which means we have to use more land. That means chopping down more rain forest and taking more fresh water. 3. It taste better. Now I could be a complete ahole and bring up blind taste test where people constantly can’t tell the difference but I am not. I believe overall most organic food does taste better but it has more to do with the freshness and handling of the product.