Alcohol hardly seems compatible


(Doug) #1

As always, our mileage will vary, so to speak - alcohol, per se, and the amount will affect different people in different ways.

Personally, it seems like a triple whammy - the booze itself supplying calories and perhaps carbohydrates, interrupting or slowing down desired processes in one’s body; the loss of control/will power - the “alcohol munchies” being a very real thing for some of us (the alcohol’s effect of lowering blood sugar?) - drastically increasing the chances of bingeing and/or temporarily changing our way of eating; drink enough and you feel pretty bad the next day, making it hard to stay or get back on the program, whatever one’s desired program is.

One or two drinks, probably not a big deal. Yet what’s the point? And I guess this is it - if the desire is to get drunk, then lots of other things can fall by the wayside. Where I come from - experience and friends/co-workers - 3 or 4 drinks “isn’t even drinking.”

Do we give into short-term wants and compulsions, or do we focus on long-term happiness? I think a great definition of ‘maturity’ is seeing the difference and making the right choice.


(Allie) #2

I can’t remember the last time I had alcohol but it was way back before keto and I’ve been keto two years. Just can’t see the point in it as there don’t seem to be any positive effects, and sharing my life with an alcoholic over the last three years has really showed me the extreme bad side of the stuff which only confirms I do right by avoiding the stuff.


(Mike W.) #3

Give me bourbon, or give me death! I have no issues with Keto and drinking. I also can have 1 or 2 drinks and be satisfied. Ymmv


(Sheri Knauer) #4

I’ve pretty much given up alcohol only having a glass of wine every other month or so. Definitely no more beer (we live next to a microbrewery and would frequently walk over for a beer or 2). Honestly I was feeling like crap after drinking anyway and now I enjoy waking up and feeling good


(Mike W.) #5

Checkout the 2KD podcast on alcohol.


(KCKO, KCFO 🥥) #6

I decided years ago if I can’t enjoy wine and chocolate, then why would I even want to be here???

I have lost weight many times,never gave up either wine or dark chocolate. I find that the closer to keto range in daily carbs, the more I feel the effects of alcohol. As far as carbs wine is @ 2 carbs per oz. I have 4 or 5 oz.and that is it now. I don’t drink wine every day since I don’t get as stressed out as when I was a working stiff. But I would never commit to not drinking it a few times a week.

I have also found this summer that one oz. of white or red wine with 4 oz. of Le Croix flavored water (lemon or lime is best) makes a wonderful refreshing drink. It is great at parties because you are having your wine cooler. So no one even questions you like when you don’t drink.


(Doug) #7

Allie, yes - most anything can have an extreme bad side, and sometimes “none” is the way to go. The eternal adolescent in me rebels against it, but yeah… :wink:

[quote=“MiKetoAF, post:3, topic:15709, full:true”]
Give me bourbon, or give me death! I have no issues with Keto and drinking. I also can have 1 or 2 drinks and be satisfied. Ymmv[/quote]

More power to you, Mike. :slight_smile: Unsweetened hard liquor is a good way to go. The “1 or 2” and be satisfied is something to think about.

[quote=“Sheri_Knauer, post:4, topic:15709, full:true”]
I’ve pretty much given up alcohol only having a glass of wine every other month or so. Definitely no more beer (we live next to a microbrewery and would frequently walk over for a beer or 2). Honestly I was feeling like crap after drinking anyway and now I enjoy waking up and feeling good[/quote]

Sheri, I live next to a ‘World of Beer’ so the temptation is there. :stuck_out_tongue:


(Cassy Downs) #8

I started Keto about a month and decided to not drink til I am more comfortable with where I am with my body image. I feel better and have more energy, but I will not quit drinking forever. I LOVE having a glass of wine with a delicious meal. I want to enjoy a beee while watching football. I will have to make those hard choices and suffer for it in the end, but I want to enjoy life also. There are low carb beers I can choose and I will adjust my food that day if needed or fast the next day, but I won’t stop living. I love the Keto lifestyle and plan to stick with it, but I don’t want to live with the " I can’t" mentality. Right now I don’t want to drink, but I know that will change and for me it’s ok. We only live once. Plus I can always have vodka with diet ginger beer :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:


(KCKO, KCFO 🥥) #9

Add a squeeze of lime juice and you got yourself a KetoMule. Mules are the only cocktails I really like.


(Porcinus) #10

A few drinks, and then a few more, and it’s like I’m starving - there definitely is an increased impulse to eat.


#11

Well, alcohol is a big subject. I’ll focus on only the grapey kinds. In certain regional cuisines, red wine sipping with fatty meals and good conversation with others or music appreciation solo is a symphony for the palate, and rounds out the neurological experience of the tastes.

Brandy is zero carbs and zero sugar - and a bit in some extremely fatty, hot egg nog with a natural non-sugar sweetener can be pretty divine in winter.

Red wine, friend or foe? Well, how’s your liver? Is your metabolism deranged or is it strong for your age? Do you love mediterranean or French or Italian cuisine? A small glass of wine (or two, even) can be harmonious for those who don’t have deranged metabolisms and who use it to in the traditional way - to accompany fatty meals! Apparently, red wine reduces postprandial inflammation. When relatively healthy people drink red wine with their lovely fatty meals, the meal gets healthier.

magical vinyard

With proper care, grapevines can live for 50 to 100 years or more, producing grapes. That’s pretty amazing! Some of California’s oldest vineyards contain actual grapevines dating back to the 1880s and French winerys that go back to the 1400s!

As to if red wine is friendly or not, this can vary a lot depending on extent of metabolic derangement an individual has. And then add to that how healthy one’s liver is, how one has lived for decades previous, and the degree one has detoxed in general. Also, the closer one is to midlife metabolic slowdown plays a role. PLUS if one has a tendency to over-indulge in alcohol rather than have limited swigs with a meal, it’s an altogether different issue related to addiction/habits/self-harm I think.

All of the above variables are meaningful, none of them trite - and how they combine for various folks differs. There are nuances.

There are small amounts of sugars in red wine (about a gram per small glass of red wine) that can wreak havoc on some people, yet have the opposite effect on others and serve as a digestive aid and anti-oxidant assistant (resveratrol) which seems to explain why the heart disease (CHD) death rates in France are so low despite high intake of dietary cholesterol and saturated fat and… regular bread and small desserts.

HOWEVER, dry red wine - and preferably organic - is key. Mark Sisson’s blog post “The Definitive Guide to Wine” is a good overview on it - for those that are keto adapted and adaptable.

Personally, since going keto the last 6 months, I reduced my red wine intake down to one small glass of red wine with dinner 3-4 nights per week - rather than two large goblets most nights - and have experienced steady inches lost, shrinking visceral belly fat, good digestion, and the pleasure of savored tasty keto meals with some swigs of Trader Joe’s organic red table wine - very economical at around $4 per bottle and one bottle per week.

Dr. Michael Eades and Dr. Mary Dan Eades (authors of Protein Power, a LCHF not actually high protein, dietary lifestyle book published in the late 1990s - their current book is “The 6-Week Cure for the Middle-Aged Middle”) talk about how small amounts of wine with certain cuisine are a relatively ancient tradition in some regions - but how MIDLIFE follks have to be more mindful/restrictive with it.

Here’s Dr. Mary Dan Eades’ mulled wine recipe for those who partake of limited red wine in the LCHF/keto way of winning - I would use xylitol or erythritol myself: https://proteinpower.com/drmd_blog/2012/12/22/lower-carb-mulled-holiday-wine/


#12

Sometimes a little buzz is all you need.


(Elizabeth ) #13

I stick with whiskey ( Irish, bourbon, single malt scotch) neat or on the rocks, or Stoli vodka, just discovered sugar free ginger beer and zevia sodas!) Never more than 2 drinks and about once or twice a week. Keto 18 months, taking my time as I eat more calories than recommended ( only 10%deficit) but happy and healthy!! Doctor super supportive.


(Doug) #14

Mary, fantastic post. :sunglasses: Finding the ‘sweetspot’ which for most of us will be quite limited consumption, if we consume at all, is the deal. Beautiful picture, there. I do love wine-growing regions, the culture and the people. My wife and I have gone to Italy and France a few times, much of the trips aimed at wine.


(Doug) #15

Can that really be true? :smile: Okay, to be serious, indeed, Nebulous - wise words.

@Elizedge - right on, sounds really good. A calm, smooth approach.