About to stop


(TJ Borden) #41

Who is advocating that? Not counting is not the same thing as unlimited. Early on, the goal is to get fat adapted (via being in a state of nutritional ketosis). For most, once you reach that state, you can trust satiety signals to guide you, and not count calories.

The only people I’ve heard on this forum that had issues with their satiety signals not working, we’re drinking a lot of artificially sweetened drinks and/or consuming a lot of artificial sweeteners.


(Roy D Rushing Jr ) #42

I never got any results from the strips either. The blood monitor registers ketones though. My ketone levels are pretty low, generally in the 0.5 to 1.5 range. I might just use them efficiently enough to keep them out of my urine. I suppose that’s where the blood monitor comes in handy. I know it’s odd for a newbie to be efficient at all with their use of ketones, but I did fast for the majority of every single day for over two years before starting this WOE. That may have given me some metabolic flexibility before I started.


(TJ Borden) #43

For sure. I intermittent fasted before going LCHF/Keto. I was hoping just fasting would be enough… it wasn’t. It kept me from continuing the climb, and helped my blood sugars regulate better.


(karen) #44

Lol. :slight_smile: The whole debate (I thought) was because I told the OP she might be overdoing the fat. Personally, I have always loved fatty foods and I’m not convinced they’re a great satiety signal for me, at least not at the moment, so I do keep a casual eye on calories. So we’ve been on the same page all along? :joy:


(TJ Borden) #45

Probably, but agreeing is boring. Debating is much more fun. I’m working from home today and I’ve hardly gotten any work done, it’s been great.


(TJ Borden) #46

Minus other influencers (like sweeteners) that can throw off other hormones and screw with satiety signals, I don’t think it’s easy to overeat fat. If you eat fat past satiety on its own (as in not in a donut where it’s along for the ride with carbs), it triggers nausea.

Try the butter test. Most of us can eat a tablespoon or two of kerrigold. Try eating a whole block, bet you can’t.


(karen) #47

Maaaayyyybee not. But if it has some extra flavoring to it, you’re on. Bacon cheddar chive butter, or smoked salmon butter … When I was three I stole an 8 oz block of bleu cheese out of the fridge and consumed the entire thing before anyone noticed. Someone mentioned the concept of “hyper-palatability” yesterday and that totally hit home: if it’s interesting fat I can eat a whole, whole lot of it. Sweet has never really been my trigger, so at the moment my added sweetener consists of 2 drops of stevia a day if I don’t put cream in my coffee. Everything tastes sweet to me now, I keep checking labels on things like sour cream and sauerkraut to be sure there isn’t added sugar in it.


(LeeAnn Brooks) #48

Could it be that you got a bad batch of strips? I’ve heard that happen before.


(Lonnie Hedley) #49

I saw a video of a girl who took a stick whole. Possibly the hottest thing I’ve ever seen. #deepthroatbutter


(TJ Borden) #50

:joy::joy::joy: true food porn


(Lonnie Hedley) #51

She’ll take your bet. :joy::joy::joy:


(TJ Borden) #52

I stand corrected :rofl:


#53

Sorry, I DO want to help you but you title your post “about to stop” and you haven’t even been on the wagon for a week? C’mon! Be more realistic than that. How many carbs WERE you eating (yes, it matters when switching over) you say most came from fruit and wine, well, those are two TERRIBLE sources. Fructose is almost linked to more damage than sucrose and wine is liquid alcoholic candy. So it’s not a surprise at all that you’ve probably spent the better part of the week burning off glycogen stores. How much protein is “not too much” and are you working out? Sedentary job or active? Seems your mindset is quick fix and not changing lifestyle for health. If that’s not true, give us details to work with and we’ll figure out what’s going wrong. ie: couple days sample meal plans, activity level, current macros your basing all of this on etc.


(Jeff Gilbertson) #54

But, the human body is NOT a closed system.


(Ken) #55

That’s the problem with “The Books”. The issue is Lipolysis, the burning of Fat. Ketosis is only one part of it. Eating such a low number of carbs will put you in lipolysis. Ketones may or may not be measurable. But, it is important that you consume at least 60% of your calories from fat.

Initially, it may take a while for ketone levels to increase. However, once you cut carbs, started secreting glucagon, and depleted your glycogen, you became Lipolytic. You are burning fat. This is why obsessing on ketones is “Nutty Keto”.


(TJ Borden) #56

Thanks @jgilberAZ. I was thinking that too, but I wasn’t positive.


(Alec) #57

That’s disgusting, how dare she do that to good butter! :disappointed_relieved:. And not truly eating the butter, she’s bypassed the mouth processes, and hence there’s no brakes from the system saying Whoa! Enough!!

I think your original statement is correct. Ask her to eat that normally, she would struggle.
Cheers
Alec


(Karen Hemry) #58

My wine consumption was about 4 glasses per week, most of the fruit I ate was berries, but a container a say. But I was eating way more protein and much less fat. I have tracking my food for a week or so carbs under 20g, Ave protein about 70g and fat about 80g at least 70% overall Ave


(LeeAnn Brooks) #59

Not to be not picky, but that’s only 66%. And it’s also under 1000 calories. No wonder nothings budging. Your starving yourself and your metabolism is slowing down to hold onto its fat.


(LeeAnn Brooks) #60

Sorry, redid my calculations and it is about 70, but your still just barely over 1000 calories. Way, way too low.