About to give up on keto

(Jeanne Wagner) #21

Ah. I just gave Eat Rich and Live Long to my mom. I think she put it in her closet. I should have read it before I gave it to her. Anyway, Dr. Eric Berg. I have listened to him on Youtube too. I have issues with what he says on some aspects. I don’t believe in the 8 cups of veg a day, nor do I believe the low salt advice he gives. He is controversial. He is more into modified keto I think. Have you listed to the 2 Keto Dudes podcast? This is their forums, and their podcasts are very informative. You may find you want to modify what you are doing.

(Jeanne Wagner) #22

Are you having plenty of cocounut oil, avocado oil, butter (Kerry Gold is so dreamy), walnuts, almonds…? They will all provide the healthy fats and flavor you may be missing.

(fe6fc6f409a606d91400) #23

Especially bacon! I lived in a shared house years ago and actually sicked up my whole dinner at the smell of bacon cooking in lard. My sons use the fan!

(fe6fc6f409a606d91400) #24

I like those. I didn’t lose weight though. Don’t I need to burn my own fat?

(Diana ) #25

My understanding is that, eventually, once you become fat adapted, you will burn your own fat, but until that time, you have to eat fat and avoid many carbs, so you force your body to look somewhere else besides carbs for energy.
It is said that you will know when you are fat adapted because you won’t have sugar/carb cravings and you will be able to go without eating for longer periods.
The scientific explanation is more accurate, but this is off the top of my unscientific head. :confused:

(bulkbiker) #26

Think you have put it pretty well there…

(Jeanne Wagner) #27

You first need to become fat adapted. You’re not burning fat if you’re hungry all the time and if your hormones are still out of sorts. Becoming fat adapted and being in nutritional ketosis is what helps your hormones regulate into normalcy. THEN you can burn your own fat. But first you must teach your body to do that.

(Raj Seth) #28

Sounds like you may be of Indian origin. If meat doesn’t work for you, and you have metabolic syndrome, then you are in the same boat as my Indian siblings. The solution for repair may then be to go the IDM program route. My sister just started with them this week. They have great success healing metabolic syndrome via controlled time eating - fasting etc.
it’s not as easy as fasting when fat adapted, but has stellar results, and becomes easier

Look at idmprogram.com. Jason Fung and Megan Ramos. The Jedis of fasting. Saved my life :+1:

(less is more, more or less) #29

I know what people generally mean by “going keto.” I am unclear what “going keto” means for you. Let us know and we may offer more meaningful help.

As for “fat forever,” I can empathize, as that was my self-diagnosis before I adopted low-carb, high fat cuisine. I’m tickled to say that I’ve found an effective cure for me.

(Annette) #30

Keto means aiming for 20g carbs, I managed 30g, high fat and adequate protein, aiming to run on fat for fuel. I think I did run on fat but clearly not mine! No point in this if I don’t lose weight. I might feel a little bit better on keto but that is offset by removing any pleasure from food in my life.

(Annette) #31

He’s a good guy. However, no more worrying about the right kind of food, just have no food!

(Ken) #32

Eat some beans and grain on the Weekends for a month or two. It could easily pick up your metabolism.

(less is more, more or less) #33

Thank you for that summary. It’s a reasonable starting point, but there may be plenty of opportunities to address your method. Conversely, you may have a medical condition that LCHF may not affect. I remain an active patient of Dr. Westman, and he routinely corrects my presumptions about LCHF living and eating. “ketoing” alone and without guidance is fraught with peril.

I missed where my diet has removed pleasurable foods from my life. I’ve removed stimulative foods that created many problems for my appetite, satiety, and health. Not the same thing.

Incidently, do you count net or total carb?

#34

Oh, Annette, I totally disagree with this. Losing weight is great, but there are SO many metabolic benefits to eating the ketogenic diet, that is truly isn’t about losing weight.

Please do give up on keto, because you only want to lose weight. We didn’t get in the conditions we’re in overnight, and we won’t get out of them quickly either.

I’ve been eating keto over a year and a half, and I’m STILL learning something new everyday. This really isn’t a quick-fix, lose weight diet program, and I hope for your own benefit you don’t feel that way about it.

It’s just going to take time. Be patient.

#35

Just wanted to add, for me, being 5’ 3" I could not lose weight on 1000 calories a day - that’s my resting metabolic rate (damaged from a lifetime of restriction dieting, which doesn’t work for me). If I’m eating carbs I don’t lose weight on 500 a day.

I can’t keep to a calorie restriction up for long, it can make me miserably hungry, I can only lose weight by water fasting personally. Its so much easier because you’re not hungry or craving, motivating because you get fast results, and healing because of the autophagy, the metabolic reset and that it reeducated your system to crave unhealthy food less.

So I suggest you’re just still taking in too many calories and might want to give fasting a try before giving up.

(Annette) #36

I would have been happy with losing a stone (instead of f*** all) in nearly 4 months when I have 3 to lose!
Of course I feel that way, weight loss is the compensation for losing pleasure in food. All the expense of keto, not joining in, missing out.

(Ashley) #37

Tbh what’s helping me right now, as I stalled on keto alone. I went carnivore. I eat mostly “high fat meats”. Also if your aiming to lose weight you might not need as much fat since your body is storing fat. Everyone is different so YMMV but for me getting the extra fats from meats and eggs is finally starting to break my stall. I went from 212 to 204 within the last week! But YMMV.

(Annette) #38

That’s really depressing but you might be right. It makes me cross, I am more active and eat less than many people.

(Annette) #39

I can’t eat meat sadly.

(Annette) #40

What is this?