A possibility to help with nocturnal leg cramps is....vitamin k2?


(Bob M) #1

Here’s the study, where they gave older folks vitamin K2 (or placebo), and the ones taking K2 had better results:

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2825457?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

Hat tip to Dr. Jason Fung on substack.

I had no idea that vitamin K2 could help with nocturnal leg cramps.

Note: the “retraction” is because there were some poorly-explained parts, and they wanted the study “replaced” after addressing what people thought was “wrong”. The conclusions were the same, though.


(Joey) #2

Very interesting. Magnesium is well known to ease muscle cramps, but didn’t know K2 was also. Will have to dig into this article at some point. Thx.

EDIT: 180 micrograms daily is not very much (compared to the 0.5mg/daily of K2-MK7 we take daily…which also includes 25mg of K2-MK4). Haven’t read the study but I do wonder if there might be any confounding factors overlooked in the study. FWIW, the study was based in China.


(B Creighton) #3

My guess is that it is an indirect benefit of K2 “unclogging” the arteries of excess calcium allowing for better blood flow… better blood flow, less BP and less cramping.

I have been taking vitamin K2 for about 5 years now since I discovered we are basically all deficient in it in the states. I typically take at least 100 mcg/day, but also this year started on a high dose ADK with about 1000mcg (yes, that is K2) on my OMAD days. I also have supplemented with bacillus subtilis, which is known for making vitamin K2 MK7 form.


(Bob M) #4

Dr. Fung used this for hiccups, but the study was based on cramps at night. I have more of the latter than the former.

@SomeGuy Whoa, that’s some K2 daily. Is that by itself or with vitamin D? I’ll have to check my d/k2 pill to see how much I’m getting. I try to make natto periodically, and I’m sure I’m getting a ton of K2 there (though I wonder how much is actually absorbed?).

Sometimes I think studies based overseas, like China, have less bias, but I have nothing to base that on.

@scaperdude Very interesting. I usually have a D/k2, but I don’t know how much it has. I also make natto, and it makes a lot, especially when you consider that 1 ounce of natto has some insane amount of K2 in it. I make 300g, so around 10 ounces.

Your guess could be correct. I can’t think of anything else, but I’m clueless about K2.


(Joey) #5

Yeah, it is a larger dosage than most other supplements contain. It’s also got K1, but that’s not something I’d otherwise go out of my way to include in a supplement.

No, we take a separate D3 (5000IU/daily).

I don’t know what to make of Chinese science anymore. They lack the (direct) influence of Global Pharma, but they also lack true transparency and independence, so the quality of their research - at least what’s made publicly available - is an unknown unknown.