Thank you very much for the feedback.
6 weeks in ready to cheat. :(
PortHardy
(Heather Meyer)
#22
I hear what your saying⌠The bakery isle of the store calls me daily asking to come and indulge.
For my first 2 weeks I LIVED off of pizzaâŚ
FATHEAD pizza!! I would eat 2 slices per day and lose weight! No need to ever give up pizzaâŚ
As far as the PT goesâŚtheir understanding of nutrition is based off of USDA food guidelines. Its the same information Nutritionists and Dieticians learn in school. It follows a CICO model and a premise that âGrains are goodâŚfat is BADâ
And although it may seem appealing at the time and though you may see results, you will likely become miserable and burnt out in lack of delicious food options and the fact ypu will want to eat your hand because there is no fat to help you maintain feeling full.
Living off a diet of lean meat and steamed veggies with the occassional rice is the ultimate plate of boredom and its sad to think people have to eat that to lose weight!
Lets compare a PT diet to a Keto diet for a secâŚ
PT Diet Breakfast
2 eggwhites with 1 serving of spinach scrambled
1 piece of wholegrain toast OR 1 piece of fruit like an apple.
Keto breakfast
2 large keto pancakes with whip cream/ side of pan fried bacon and 1/2 cup of blackberries
PT Snack
Celery with Light Peanut Butter
Or 1 Pita with 2 tbsp hummus
Keto Snack
2 Large peperoni sticks with cheddar cheese
1 sausage with mustard OR
Serving of Hot Buffallo Dip and Almond Flour Crackers.
PT Lunch
3 cups of salad greens
8oz baked chicken breast (no oil added)
2 tbsp fat free italian or greek dressing or vinagrette
Keto Lunch
2 slices of Fathead BBQ Chicken Bacon Pizza
Slice of sugar free keto pumpkin pie
PT Snack
1/2 sugar free fat free yogurt
Keto Snack
Dont need one because your so full from lunch still⌠we dont need to eat 6x per day.
PT Dinner
8 oz of baked chicken breast
1/2 cup steamed broccoli
1/2 plain white or brown rice
1 cup of mixed salad greens with 2 tbsp fat free dressing
Keto Dinner
Buffallo chicken wings Or 8oz Steak slathered in sugar free BBQ sauce
Mashed Cauliflour potatoes with butter and bacon bits
Homemade Keto Bun
PT Dessert
1 apple or 1 grapefruit or 1/2 cup of frozen yogurt
Keto Dessert
Keto NY cheesecake topped with berry sauce and whip cream OR
Chocolate chip cookies OR
2 large squares of sugar free keto fudge
So tell meâŚwhich menu would you get bored of??
LeCheffre
(Banting & Yudkin & Atkins & Eadeses & Cordain & Taubes & Volek & Naiman & Bikman )
#25
Some folks can increase their carbs a bit, or even a bit more. I do 30-40 and have no problems staying in a losing mode. Iâm bigger than you, so that might be it.
You might lower your fat a wee bit, like 5-10g. Or you might not.
50 will not cram much pizza of value in. Iâm sure others have already suggested various fathead, chicken, and/or cauliflower crusted pizzas as a keto alternative, so I wonât bother. Iâll say this, if you want a pizza, and youâve been on it solid for 6 weeks, have a slice or two. And have a plan to give six more good weeks on the other side. The road to falling off happens with a meal with no plan on the other side.
Amy_R0922
(Amy Ramadan)
#26
Have you thought of trying a keto friendly version of pizza? The fathead pizza dough is great, and then you also have the zucchini crust, meatza, the possibilities are endless!! Good luck!!
Amy_R0922
(Amy Ramadan)
#27
Part of the problem with this is that you are looking at it as a âdietâ rather than a lifestyle!! You basically have to find what works for you personally!!
TGAMEL62
(Todd Gamel)
#28
Ok, I am going to go out on a limb here, and see if I get knocked offâŚ[GRIN]âŚ
If all you are craving is pizza, and as you mentioned, and you are on the road a lot, you could order a pizza and simply pick off the toppings. While I do on many occasions, make a âfat headâ pizza crust or a meatless deep dish pizza. I have hit the Little Caesars on the way home from a long shift at work a few times over the last few years. I think the key here is to order the pizza with light sauce so that there are as few incidental carbs from the sauce as possible. Ordering it with no sauce can cause the cheese to stick to the crust and you end up eating too much bread.
Once you get back in the car, pizza simply becomes a finger food. Allow it to cool for a few minutes with the top open, then pull off the cheese with your fingers. I realize this is not an elegant solution, but it does satisfy my craving for pizza. I order what the call the âmostest bestestâ which has extra pepperoni and cheese for $6.50 in my local area.
As for carbs, we are all different. Phinney and Volek state that some people can eat as many as 100 net carbs and still maintain a state if metabolic ketosis, but these individuals are rare specimens. Many people can get into ketosis eating less than 50 grams of net carbs, and most people when eating 40 grams of net carbs. My personal advice is that if you are a diabetic and suffer from metabolic syndrome, you should keep your net carb intake below 20 grams a day. As for fat, I would try and leave it the same. If you go from 20 grams of net carbs a day to say 50 grams of net carbs you are only increasing your net carb percentage by about 2 - 3% of total energy depending on the number of calories you consume each day.
If you want to try and increase the amount of net carbs you eat each day, then I would go âold schoolâ Atkins. Add 5 grams of net carbs for the first week. Check your blood ketones, then if you are still in ketosis after one week, then add 5 more net grams of carbohydrates the next week and check your blood ketones again. Continue this until you are no longer in ketosis, then back down to the previous week and you will know how many carbs you can eat and maintain a state of nutritional ketosis.
At 6 weeks you should be hitting your stride at being in nutritional ketosis. I would hate to see you knock yourself out of ketosis at this stage in your journey. Scraping off the toppings of a pizza is not the best solution, but if it keeps you from eating the bread and knocking you out of nutritional ketosis for a few days, then it is by far a better solution in my humble opinion.
Good luck, Lorraine, I wish you continued success on your journey.
SammySamosa
(Sam H)
#29
You probably wonât find many people here saying to stop Keto. But YDY (You Do You). Clearly it doesnât like youâre not too keen, just decide whatâll make you the most happy wether short, medium or long term.
Any âdietâ should be seen as a lifestyle change or WOE, this is what prevents heading back up to the original start weight.
LeCheffre
(Banting & Yudkin & Atkins & Eadeses & Cordain & Taubes & Volek & Naiman & Bikman )
#30
I would call it "Eating the toppings and picking off the crust, but I think itâs clear.
I will speak from my experience here. Sometimes I got sad when I used to do this. Same thing with bunless burgers. Some of it is I am a low grade breadhead, and am fascinated with the many ways that flour, water, salt and yeast can be manipulated. Part of it is that it points to a deprivation in the lifestyle, even though the lifestyle is rich with other enhancements (compound butters on steaks, as a fer instance). I have eaten and made many bunless burgers, and I am getting better, though I donât like to order them out, because I donât like to feel like a pain in the butt to the wait staff and kitchen. I havenât done the pizza thing on this go around, but remember very clearly doing it back in 2006-007 on my first go round, and it being a bit melancholy, especially from a place with really good crust.
Sometimes, itâs okay to feel that. Sometimes, itâs better just to take a meal, indulge fully, measure your enjoyment, suffer any consequences, and get back on plan. And some folks donât feel any of the stuff I feel when I pick the crust off the pizza and eat the toppings only or eat burgers without buns. Weâre all different folks with different ideas and needs.
LeCheffre
(Banting & Yudkin & Atkins & Eadeses & Cordain & Taubes & Volek & Naiman & Bikman )
#31
This sounds fairly miserable. Iâd be curious to see the long term compliance of that PTâs clients, and their results.
Ketodaisy
(Daisy)
#33
Over this weekend I had many keto conversations. I spoke with one friend who is seeing a nutritionist that has her planned out to the number of grapes or almonds in a meal. And itâs such a small amount of food. All I kept thinking was âhow miserable!!! No one could be satisfied on that plan!â But she said sheâs already paid for it, so sheâs going to stick with it for a couple months. Then maybe sheâll âtry keto nextâ.
I spoke with the next person who said she used to do keto and should get back to it, but that her nutritionist only recommends she stay on it for a few weeks at a time. And that she also did a shake plan that was 2 weeks on the shakes, 1 week on keto. I tried explaining that she would never become fat adapted following that advice and wouldnât be reaping any lasting rewards that way, but to no avail.
The third person stated her husband said he didnât want her going on keto because of the reports by the AMA. This is someone Iâve been working on for a while, so I just shook my head and said right, because theyâve done a bang up job on their advice so far. Iâll keep working on that one lol.
It just astonishes me the advice these âprofessionalsâ are giving out!
To the OP: if you donât want to come up with an alternative, eat a piece of pizza. Or an apple. Or a taco. Then carry on as keto normal, seriously not a big deal. Iâve had many times in the last 9 weeks that Iâve eaten something ânot ketoâ. I just make sure itâs my choice, and make my choice not to dwell there. Have I lost as much weight as I could have? No, but Iâm still reaping all the keto NSVâs. And with each week, those ânon-ketoâ choices become easier and easier to skip. Truly.
Janie
(Jane)
#34
Good advice here. Some people can eat pizza for a meal, satisfy their cravings and get right back on keto. Others are carb-addicts and it puts them in a multi-meal/day/week binge. Only you know where you fall in that spectrum.
You are coming up on the time frame many become fat-adapted and your hunger and hopefully cravings will greatly diminish. If you throw in the towel now you will never get to experience the true benefits of keto.
Janie
(Jane)
#35
My husband joined me on keto a month after I did to support me. He didnât have a lot of excess weight to lose.
He LOVES bread. He hated keto! Every meal we ate out he would pick up the menu, frown, tell the waitress âI canât have that anymoreâ like a grumpy kid. He would tell her not to bring the rolls with the same grumpy response.
It was spoiling my dinner and I really hated to see him so unhappy and several times tried to talk him out of keto.
Fast forward 9 months and he loves the health benefits of keto and never mentions what âhe canât haveâ anymore. Rolls are delivered to the table and he just ignores them. His cravings are minimal so he just doesnât care as much anymore. He also knows he can have a roll and itâs not the end of the world and wonât undo all his progress with his health. He goes right back to keto.
But he also read enough to know he needed to be strict early on. To become fat-adapted. To get used to eating this way naturally.
Hope this helps.
Bellyman
(Brian)
#37
Iâve seen a few deep dish pizzas that were not as keto unfriendly as typical NY pizza. Even had a recipe for a keto one somewhere. Of course, it kinda depends on just what you put in them but meat, cheese, and maybe some low carb veggies could make up quite a lot of it and fit into a keto way of eating. At least the crust, if you choose to discard it, isnât 3/4 of the pizza.
Regular pizza doesnât really tempt me. Chicago style, however, is something I do a few times a year, mainly as a big treat! (Oreganos in Phoenix, probably sometime in January or February.)
Jacymac
(Ellie)
#40
Christmas should be illegal until Dec 1st! Shops in the UK already have decorations, advent calendars and mince pies!!!